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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lizard" data-source="post: 4024307" data-attributes="member: 1054">Then you need glasses.It basicall said "This game you've all loved and played for the past 30 years was No Fun Ever. Our new edition is Absolute Fun. You won't ever need to look up rules, remember acronyms, or not have the right miniatures![1]"Seriously, there's some nice system work in 4e, but the marketing staff needs to stop telling us we haven't been having any fun, 'cause if we weren't, there wouldn't be anyone left playing to CARE about 4e.(And how much can you streamline/simplify things like grapples, trips, etc, before they're too mechanically uninteresting to bother with?[2])[1]How's that gonna work, precisely?"So, uhm, are we ever gonna fight something other than bugbears?""No way, dude, I can't afford to buy any more minis!""So? Just say the bugbears are orcs or something!""What? Didn't you see the video? Using the wrong miniatures means we're losers from the 1970s!"[2]One issue is that most D&D combat is abstract. A single 'to hit' roll can represent many swings, parries, etc. But a grapple is 'real'. You either hug the troll, or you don't, and there's logically going to be things you can/can't do while troll-hugging. This means either complex rules or painfully unrealistic/immersion breaking rules.</blockquote>