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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 4024465" data-attributes="member: 467">While Lizard is being a little extreme, a quick perusal of many of the Design &amp; Development articles or the preview books will show, without a doubt, that one of the regularly used methods of promoting 4E is by directly comparing it to elements in 3E or even older editions and indicating how those things were not fun.&nbsp; Sure, they don't come out and say &quot;that sucked&quot;, but they do regularly tell you that the game had big problems.&nbsp; And in some cases it may be true -- the CR system not working correctly -- and in some cases it is entirely a matter of play preference -- dragons or demons with lots of abilities being too hard to run.&nbsp; In either case, though, the fact is that in trying to sell 4E they are emphasizing those elements of previous editions that were problems, either real or perceived.My guess would be that the list of problems is largely directly related to the results of various forms of market research.&nbsp; I don't believe for a second that R&amp;D gets to do whatever they damn well please: they are charged with putting out an edition that will sell to the largest portion of their customer base, as well as to potential customers.&nbsp; But just because market research says something doesn't mean that people who feel differently are somehow inherently wrong -- any more than just because the design team has found a new and fun way of doing something means that the previous way of doing ti was bad or unfun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 4024465, member: 467"] While Lizard is being a little extreme, a quick perusal of many of the Design & Development articles or the preview books will show, without a doubt, that one of the regularly used methods of promoting 4E is by directly comparing it to elements in 3E or even older editions and indicating how those things were not fun. Sure, they don't come out and say "that sucked", but they do regularly tell you that the game had big problems. And in some cases it may be true -- the CR system not working correctly -- and in some cases it is entirely a matter of play preference -- dragons or demons with lots of abilities being too hard to run. In either case, though, the fact is that in trying to sell 4E they are emphasizing those elements of previous editions that were problems, either real or perceived. My guess would be that the list of problems is largely directly related to the results of various forms of market research. I don't believe for a second that R&D gets to do whatever they damn well please: they are charged with putting out an edition that will sell to the largest portion of their customer base, as well as to potential customers. But just because market research says something doesn't mean that people who feel differently are somehow inherently wrong -- any more than just because the design team has found a new and fun way of doing something means that the previous way of doing ti was bad or unfun. [/QUOTE]

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