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<blockquote data-quote="Jürgen Hubert" data-source="post: 4024974" data-attributes="member: 7177"><p>Then maybe you weren't active on many gaming forums back then. It's amazing what kind of stuff you can find in Usenet archives from 1999 or so.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/259ffe357364e85d?hl=en#e6a0e05b98c31b33" target="_blank">Here:</a></p><p></p><p><em>I have heard that the 3rd ed classes will include a new assassin and</em></p><p><em>barbarian class. I really hope that this is not truly the case. I hated them</em></p><p><em>from Unearthed Arcana. I think they are useless classes that can be</em></p><p><em>duplicated by good role-play and thoughtful character creation.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Also, while I am still wishing...please do not dumb it down any more than</em></p><p><em>the 2nd ed was. </em></p><p></p><p>Or <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/6689f83ccc10d625?hl=en#fd0b2d72eb3e1590" target="_blank">here</a>:</p><p></p><p><em>> Personally I will be playing 2nd edition until the day I die, or until the</em></p><p><em>> people at TSR or Hasbro, or whoever the hell they are pull their heads out of</em></p><p><em>> their asses--whichever comes first. My only hope is that not everyone will be</em></p><p><em>> converted, and there will always be people out there who love 2nd edition as</em></p><p><em>> much as I do. </em></p><p></p><p>Or <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/a56ad59e2e1d7447?hl=en#118a970305ca68c2" target="_blank">here</a>:</p><p></p><p><em>Is anyone else viewing the Hasbro acquisition of WOTC as the death</em></p><p><em>knell for Dungeons & Dragons? I can remember well the way that</em></p><p><em>mainstream game companies entered the roleplaying game market in the</em></p><p><em>early '80s when RPGs were hot, and how quickly they abandoned it.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I had faith that WOTC would be devoted to D&D and continue to develop</em></p><p><em>the game. I can't see much reason to believe that Hasbro will be</em></p><p><em>devoted to it, or that they will allow things in the game that leave</em></p><p><em>the company vulnerable to criticism (devils, demons, evil player</em></p><p><em>characters and the like). A large corporation that markets most of its</em></p><p><em>products to children at national retail outlets isn't going to stand</em></p><p><em>up for the editorial freedom to include Asmodeus in a game. They're</em></p><p><em>more likely to produce Anatomically Correct Barbie.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I was planning to buy the new edition of D&D upon its release next</em></p><p><em>year, but Hasbro's acquisition of WOTC probably kills that idea. Why</em></p><p><em>spend a bunch of money on a product that will either be (a)</em></p><p><em>unsupported or (b) unrecognizeable in a few years? Seems like time to</em></p><p><em>move completely away from TSR's properties and spend more money on the</em></p><p><em>smaller stalwarts like Steve Jackson Games. </em></p><p></p><p>Or <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/5e27bca7281ca48c?hl=en#5dd57b53847e5b35" target="_blank">here</a></p><p></p><p><em>Ahh to hell with it! WotC already killed the game with this moronic 3rd</em></p><p><em>Edition idea anyway. Sounds like the offical death trumpet for AD&D. The</em></p><p><em>really cool stuff is long gone ... might as well snuggle up close to one of</em></p><p><em>those stupid yellow Pokemon dog look'n thingies. Warm and cozy Pokemon ...</em></p><p><em>just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over in his</em></p><p><em>hammock at this very moment. </em></p><p></p><p>Or <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/1c2e6569825918fe?hl=en#561f5902b92a9739" target="_blank">here</a>:</p><p></p><p><em>After seeing the chat from TSRKe...@aol.com about the 3e, Greyhawk will be the</em></p><p><em>default setting! Why does there have to be an official world, why not support</em></p><p><em>all the in-print worlds equally [unless Forgotten Realms WON'T be in print any</em></p><p><em>longer...]? This same exact silly mistake was made with the Forgotten Realms</em></p><p><em>years ago, apparently an obvious lesson can't be learned. However, years of</em></p><p><em>viscious tooth gnashing, persistent crying and wailing got Greyhawk back to the</em></p><p><em>front! But to what end? Well Living Greyhawk of course!</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>At least the move to push all things 'Hawk has sparked a Living Greyhawk.</em></p><p><em>Please mail all your beligerant teen gamers (heavily armed or otherwise), power</em></p><p><em>gamers and munchkins to the Living Greyhawk as soon as possible to ease the</em></p><p><em>transition. Combine the power lust of certain Monty Haul Living City</em></p><p><em>atrocities with the natural obese treasure and magic item hoard fetish of</em></p><p><em>Greyhawk modules and we should soon be seeing modules that'd make H4 Throne of</em></p><p><em>Bloodstone blush for it's pitiful kill scores. Just remember, your Living City</em></p><p><em>character may be forced into retirement at 20th level, but in Greyhawk the sky</em></p><p><em>is always falling and six stripling heroes can do what millions of pitful and</em></p><p><em>moronic citizens can't! </em></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just a small sampling. And maybe now you can understand why I am experiencing a strong sense of Deja vu at the moment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jürgen Hubert, post: 4024974, member: 7177"] Then maybe you weren't active on many gaming forums back then. It's amazing what kind of stuff you can find in Usenet archives from 1999 or so. [URL=http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/259ffe357364e85d?hl=en#e6a0e05b98c31b33]Here:[/URL] [i]I have heard that the 3rd ed classes will include a new assassin and barbarian class. I really hope that this is not truly the case. I hated them from Unearthed Arcana. I think they are useless classes that can be duplicated by good role-play and thoughtful character creation. Also, while I am still wishing...please do not dumb it down any more than the 2nd ed was. [/i] Or [URL=http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/6689f83ccc10d625?hl=en#fd0b2d72eb3e1590]here[/URL]: [i]> Personally I will be playing 2nd edition until the day I die, or until the > people at TSR or Hasbro, or whoever the hell they are pull their heads out of > their asses--whichever comes first. My only hope is that not everyone will be > converted, and there will always be people out there who love 2nd edition as > much as I do. [/i] Or [URL=http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/a56ad59e2e1d7447?hl=en#118a970305ca68c2]here[/URL]: [i]Is anyone else viewing the Hasbro acquisition of WOTC as the death knell for Dungeons & Dragons? I can remember well the way that mainstream game companies entered the roleplaying game market in the early '80s when RPGs were hot, and how quickly they abandoned it. I had faith that WOTC would be devoted to D&D and continue to develop the game. I can't see much reason to believe that Hasbro will be devoted to it, or that they will allow things in the game that leave the company vulnerable to criticism (devils, demons, evil player characters and the like). A large corporation that markets most of its products to children at national retail outlets isn't going to stand up for the editorial freedom to include Asmodeus in a game. They're more likely to produce Anatomically Correct Barbie. I was planning to buy the new edition of D&D upon its release next year, but Hasbro's acquisition of WOTC probably kills that idea. Why spend a bunch of money on a product that will either be (a) unsupported or (b) unrecognizeable in a few years? Seems like time to move completely away from TSR's properties and spend more money on the smaller stalwarts like Steve Jackson Games. [/i] Or [URL=http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/5e27bca7281ca48c?hl=en#5dd57b53847e5b35]here[/URL] [i]Ahh to hell with it! WotC already killed the game with this moronic 3rd Edition idea anyway. Sounds like the offical death trumpet for AD&D. The really cool stuff is long gone ... might as well snuggle up close to one of those stupid yellow Pokemon dog look'n thingies. Warm and cozy Pokemon ... just what D&D fans are looking for. Bet you G. Gygax is turning over in his hammock at this very moment. [/i] Or [URL=http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/1c2e6569825918fe?hl=en#561f5902b92a9739]here[/URL]: [i]After seeing the chat from TSRKe...@aol.com about the 3e, Greyhawk will be the default setting! Why does there have to be an official world, why not support all the in-print worlds equally [unless Forgotten Realms WON'T be in print any longer...]? This same exact silly mistake was made with the Forgotten Realms years ago, apparently an obvious lesson can't be learned. However, years of viscious tooth gnashing, persistent crying and wailing got Greyhawk back to the front! But to what end? Well Living Greyhawk of course! At least the move to push all things 'Hawk has sparked a Living Greyhawk. Please mail all your beligerant teen gamers (heavily armed or otherwise), power gamers and munchkins to the Living Greyhawk as soon as possible to ease the transition. Combine the power lust of certain Monty Haul Living City atrocities with the natural obese treasure and magic item hoard fetish of Greyhawk modules and we should soon be seeing modules that'd make H4 Throne of Bloodstone blush for it's pitiful kill scores. Just remember, your Living City character may be forced into retirement at 20th level, but in Greyhawk the sky is always falling and six stripling heroes can do what millions of pitful and moronic citizens can't! [/i] Just a small sampling. And maybe now you can understand why I am experiencing a strong sense of Deja vu at the moment. [/QUOTE]
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