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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2277975" data-attributes="member: 31734">I would not compare 2HD to two class levels.  Even in your example, it's +1LA, not +2.  I can't think of anything off-hand that is 1-for-1 HD with LA.  Is there? In any case, to understand it better, perhaps you should list all the things that the 2HD gives you.  I suggest pricing them all as feats or special abilities and see how well that works.  Consider the gnoll.  He gets:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2HD - this is very useful, particularly at higher levels, because you become more resistant to spells like blasphemy, sleep, etc.  IMO, merely on this it is +1LA.  Like I said, some special abilities (poison DCs for example) are based on racial HD.  There might not be any, sure, but then there might be.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">+11hp (default) - this is essentially equivalent to 3 and a half feats (toughness) or at least 2 feats (if you houserule toughness to be +5 hp).  That's huge.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">+1 natural armor - This is equivalent to one feat, and one that normal PCs cannot even get.  Moreover, it allows you the ability to increase it and gives you access to potentially more feats.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Darkvision, etc. - Let's assume some of these abilities are the same as existing races, so this adds no additional benefit.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Fort save +3 - This is over and above a feat and a huge advantage.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Power attack - This is a feat.  The drawback of course is that you're technically required to get it (though as a DM I would allow a player to choose something else at 1HD).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">STR +4 Con +2 - this is huge and the downside of Int -2 Cha -2 does not even remotely compensate for it for almost any fighter build.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">BAB +1 - this is better than a feat and essentially weapon focus (any), but then some.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Racial skills listen and spot - this may or may not be a benefit, dunno</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Racial skill points - okay, I think this is a benefit</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Automatic language - gnoll - okay, this is actually a disadvantage because you would need an Int of 12 or to spend some skill points (which is offset by the 'free' skills above) to gain Common</li> </ol>Anyway, just going through gnoll, I'd argue that it more than warrants a +1LA.  Just based purely on the benefits of the additional HD, I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be at least +1LA.  HD and all the benefits they bring are very significant.</blockquote>

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