Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Hit point / damage gap in AD&D vs 3e
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 2925990" data-attributes="member: 10177"><p>True, but since there are no real guidelines for Epic the DM is pretty much limiting things to be "on the safe side", So yes, we are beating the creatures, even running away (last night that SR 46 creature we ran away from, more because it had three White Wyrm Dragons as pets/cohorts/allies, than anything else. Yes, the monster is in the ELH.)</p><p></p><p> My problem is that I hardly do anything effective. Say creatures have 1,000 HP, and they often do, I might, maybe, if I am lucky, do as much as a 100 HP to it. summoning monsters does no good unless the DM allows you to summon Epic Level creatures, which I don't. Even Gating doesn't get me Epic Level monsters. So the Epic level creatures ignore anything I summon because they know they can't be hurt by such whimpy creatures. The only thing I have been able to summon that has been useful, occassionally, is the Elemental Swarm spell. All the demons and devils I can summon used to be real tough, now they are laughable to the epic level creatures.</p><p></p><p>Like I have mentioned before (Maybe in the Epic Spell Book thread) I don't bother buffing because the Epic Level Magic items (which I made a lot of, so that is cool) are far better than any buff spell I can just cast, because the items are +10, or +12 for stat boosting items.</p><p></p><p>As for how my initiative is +23, I get +2 from a class ability, +8 from Epic Initiative (stacked on top of Improved Intit., not stacked, but added on to, in place of), and the rest is from my high and buffed up DEX, something like a 36 DEX with buffed DEX Item, for a +13 DEX bomus, my DEX stat is a 24, with another 12 coming from Boots of Swiftness that I made with the Dex mod at +12.</p><p></p><p>So our characters are definitely Epic when it comes to magic items and stat scores, but the spells suck! How do you make spells "epic". Adding metamagics to boost them up to 12th level does not an Epic spell make, at least not making it effective against Epic creatures.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Treebore, post: 2925990, member: 10177"] True, but since there are no real guidelines for Epic the DM is pretty much limiting things to be "on the safe side", So yes, we are beating the creatures, even running away (last night that SR 46 creature we ran away from, more because it had three White Wyrm Dragons as pets/cohorts/allies, than anything else. Yes, the monster is in the ELH.) My problem is that I hardly do anything effective. Say creatures have 1,000 HP, and they often do, I might, maybe, if I am lucky, do as much as a 100 HP to it. summoning monsters does no good unless the DM allows you to summon Epic Level creatures, which I don't. Even Gating doesn't get me Epic Level monsters. So the Epic level creatures ignore anything I summon because they know they can't be hurt by such whimpy creatures. The only thing I have been able to summon that has been useful, occassionally, is the Elemental Swarm spell. All the demons and devils I can summon used to be real tough, now they are laughable to the epic level creatures. Like I have mentioned before (Maybe in the Epic Spell Book thread) I don't bother buffing because the Epic Level Magic items (which I made a lot of, so that is cool) are far better than any buff spell I can just cast, because the items are +10, or +12 for stat boosting items. As for how my initiative is +23, I get +2 from a class ability, +8 from Epic Initiative (stacked on top of Improved Intit., not stacked, but added on to, in place of), and the rest is from my high and buffed up DEX, something like a 36 DEX with buffed DEX Item, for a +13 DEX bomus, my DEX stat is a 24, with another 12 coming from Boots of Swiftness that I made with the Dex mod at +12. So our characters are definitely Epic when it comes to magic items and stat scores, but the spells suck! How do you make spells "epic". Adding metamagics to boost them up to 12th level does not an Epic spell make, at least not making it effective against Epic creatures. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Hit point / damage gap in AD&D vs 3e
Top