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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Roger" data-source="post: 5098189" data-attributes="member: 17420">Alright.  So here's the deal on monster hitpoints, from the DMG pg 184:Skirmisher: 8 + Con + (level * 8) Brute: 10 + Con + (level * 10) Soldier: 8 + Con + (level * 8) Lurker: 6 + Con + (level * 6) Controller: 8 + Con + (level * 8) Artillery: 6 + Con + (level * 6) And the deal on PC hitpoints, from the PHB:Fighter, Paladin: 9 + Con + (level * 6)Ranger, Rogue: 7 + Con + (level * 5)Wizard: 6 + Con + (level * 4)(etc)So, yes, monsters have more hitpoints than PCs.In terms of the specific example of a 9th-level gnome fighter versus an 8th-level-Elite Orc Chieftain:Orc Defenses:  AC 22; Fortitude 22, Reflex 19, Will 21Orc Attack:  +11 vs. AC; 1d12 + 5 damage (crit 1d12 + 17)Then I went into Character Builder and used Auto-Build to make a gnome fighter:Gnome defenses:  AC 23; Fort 23, Ref 17, Will 19Gnome Attacks:  At-Will: +18 vs AC; 1d6+3  Encounters:     (x2) +14 vs AC; 2d6+6    +16 vs AC; 1d6+8  Dailies:    (x2) +14 vs AC; 2d6+6    +14 vs AC; 2d6+6 + ongoing 5    So the orc is hitting 45% of the time for 11.5 average(ish) damage.The gnome is hitting anywhere from 85% to 65% of the time, with damage anywhere from 6.5 to 13.The gnome is going to want some help.  The morale of the story: don't take on elites near your own level all by yourself.The Orc Chieftain, as a level 8 elite, is 700 XP, equivalent to a level 12 standard monster.  Probably not the sort of threat that anyone wants to solo very often.It's certainly feasible to dial down the hitpoints on humanoid monsters if you wish; houserules making things easier on the PCs usually don't have catastrophic results.Let us know how that works out for you in your campaign.Cheers,Roger</blockquote>

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