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<blockquote data-quote="Roger" data-source="post: 5098189" data-attributes="member: 17420"><p>Alright. So here's the deal on monster hitpoints, from the DMG pg 184:</p><p></p><p>Skirmisher: 8 + Con + (level * 8) </p><p>Brute: 10 + Con + (level * 10) </p><p>Soldier: 8 + Con + (level * 8) </p><p>Lurker: 6 + Con + (level * 6) </p><p>Controller: 8 + Con + (level * 8) </p><p>Artillery: 6 + Con + (level * 6) </p><p></p><p>And the deal on PC hitpoints, from the PHB:</p><p></p><p>Fighter, Paladin: 9 + Con + (level * 6)</p><p>Ranger, Rogue: 7 + Con + (level * 5)</p><p>Wizard: 6 + Con + (level * 4)</p><p>(etc)</p><p></p><p>So, yes, monsters have more hitpoints than PCs.</p><p></p><p>In terms of the specific example of a 9th-level gnome fighter versus an 8th-level-Elite Orc Chieftain:</p><p></p><p>Orc Defenses: AC 22; Fortitude 22, Reflex 19, Will 21</p><p>Orc Attack: +11 vs. AC; 1d12 + 5 damage (crit 1d12 + 17)</p><p></p><p>Then I went into Character Builder and used Auto-Build to make a gnome fighter:</p><p></p><p>Gnome defenses: AC 23; Fort 23, Ref 17, Will 19</p><p>Gnome Attacks:</p><p> At-Will: +18 vs AC; 1d6+3</p><p> Encounters: </p><p> (x2) +14 vs AC; 2d6+6</p><p> +16 vs AC; 1d6+8</p><p> Dailies:</p><p> (x2) +14 vs AC; 2d6+6</p><p> +14 vs AC; 2d6+6 + ongoing 5</p><p> </p><p></p><p>So the orc is hitting 45% of the time for 11.5 average(ish) damage.</p><p></p><p>The gnome is hitting anywhere from 85% to 65% of the time, with damage anywhere from 6.5 to 13.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The gnome is going to want some help. The morale of the story: don't take on elites near your own level all by yourself.</p><p></p><p>The Orc Chieftain, as a level 8 elite, is 700 XP, equivalent to a level 12 standard monster. Probably not the sort of threat that anyone wants to solo very often.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's certainly feasible to dial down the hitpoints on humanoid monsters if you wish; houserules making things easier on the PCs usually don't have catastrophic results.</p><p></p><p>Let us know how that works out for you in your campaign.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Roger</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Roger, post: 5098189, member: 17420"] Alright. So here's the deal on monster hitpoints, from the DMG pg 184: Skirmisher: 8 + Con + (level * 8) Brute: 10 + Con + (level * 10) Soldier: 8 + Con + (level * 8) Lurker: 6 + Con + (level * 6) Controller: 8 + Con + (level * 8) Artillery: 6 + Con + (level * 6) And the deal on PC hitpoints, from the PHB: Fighter, Paladin: 9 + Con + (level * 6) Ranger, Rogue: 7 + Con + (level * 5) Wizard: 6 + Con + (level * 4) (etc) So, yes, monsters have more hitpoints than PCs. In terms of the specific example of a 9th-level gnome fighter versus an 8th-level-Elite Orc Chieftain: Orc Defenses: AC 22; Fortitude 22, Reflex 19, Will 21 Orc Attack: +11 vs. AC; 1d12 + 5 damage (crit 1d12 + 17) Then I went into Character Builder and used Auto-Build to make a gnome fighter: Gnome defenses: AC 23; Fort 23, Ref 17, Will 19 Gnome Attacks: At-Will: +18 vs AC; 1d6+3 Encounters: (x2) +14 vs AC; 2d6+6 +16 vs AC; 1d6+8 Dailies: (x2) +14 vs AC; 2d6+6 +14 vs AC; 2d6+6 + ongoing 5 So the orc is hitting 45% of the time for 11.5 average(ish) damage. The gnome is hitting anywhere from 85% to 65% of the time, with damage anywhere from 6.5 to 13. The gnome is going to want some help. The morale of the story: don't take on elites near your own level all by yourself. The Orc Chieftain, as a level 8 elite, is 700 XP, equivalent to a level 12 standard monster. Probably not the sort of threat that anyone wants to solo very often. It's certainly feasible to dial down the hitpoints on humanoid monsters if you wish; houserules making things easier on the PCs usually don't have catastrophic results. Let us know how that works out for you in your campaign. Cheers, Roger [/QUOTE]
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