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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4629144" data-attributes="member: 4937">We disagree over something very specific.  A group of people have been broadly painted as failing to understand that hit points are (or have been) abstract, and that this failure of understanding whether through stupidity or ignorance on their part is one of the principle hurdles to accepting 4e.Analogies are frought with danger, but allow me to test one here.  Suppose it was known that I disliked Roquefort.  Suppose then someone stated:"I'm tired of these Roquefort haters.  You just don't know how sick and tired I am of people not giving Roquefort a chance just because it is an French cheese.  This French hatred is so tiring.  I keep trying to explain to them that Roquefort is the king of cheeses, but they can't get over their bias against all things French enough to even give it a fair try.  I've tried explaining to them that it's a moldy, crumbly, slightly moist cheese with a strong tangy flavor, but they keep insisting that it's not."That would be a fair rant if in fact I didn't like Roquefort because it was French, or if in general there was a widespread dislike of Roquefort solely because it was French, .  But if in fact I didn't like Roquefort but did like Brie, or if in fact I was French, then the argument that I don't like Roquefort sole because it's French falls apart.So why would someone insist that the reason I don't like Roquefort is because it's French, rather than the more obvious hypothesis that I don't like moldy, crumbly, slightly moist cheese with a strong tangy flavor?  Well, one reason might be that having the former reason is unfair and paints me in a very bad light, as it's an opinion that would be rather difficult to sustain.  By making a strawman out of objections to the system, such as suggesting that people who played 'the old way' would say things like, "The poison dart flies through your eye socket, take 2 damage.", they try to make people who disagree with them look ridiculous and stupid.Not that it matters, but in point of fact, I like Roquefort.  However, I would sympathize with anyone that didn't like Roquefort, because I readily admit that stringent acidic cheese riddled with pencilluim mold is not the sort of dining that is easy on everyone's pallette.  It's a rather extreme cheese, maybe not the most extreme imaginable, but hardly something I'd think everyone would like.I contradicted your statement in a very narrow and very specific fashion.  If I really didn't like Roquefort, in a conversation about why Roquefort didn't have wider acceptance, it would matter very much why I didn't like it.</blockquote>

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