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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 4630108" data-attributes="member: 5122">Anything I'm not quoting is a demurrer.If you throw the dart hard enough, it doesn't matter if you're throwing it 180 degrees off-target!&nbsp;Yes, number 6 is why.That's why &quot;almost&quot; entirely, though as I think about it, is it really necessary?&nbsp; If poison does &quot;surge damage,&quot; it could just have its own attack roll, right?&nbsp; Anyway, just thinking out loud.&nbsp;Cool.&nbsp; I've suggested something similar in the House Rules forum for 3E, because I feel the designers really missed an opportunity to use Constitution damage to represent stuff like falls and drowning.&nbsp;Monsters would need fewer HP in 4E (as it exists now) because combat goes on for rounds after it's effectively settled, and those rounds mean damage.&nbsp; If hit points and surges for PCs don't significantly increase, those resources will be spent more quickly than they should be to reach the &quot;10 encounter&quot; goal I was talking about.Increasing hit points and surges is another way to balance things, but if 4E combats do grind (and in my limited experience, they do), I figure might at well fix that at the same time.But again, bear in mind that this is the hypothetical situation of trying to retrofit currently existing 4E.&nbsp; Building from the ground up, it wouldn't need to be so much &quot;eyeballing.&quot;&nbsp;I guess not.&nbsp; More than 10 encounters without significant healing -- and I mean &quot;healing of injuries&quot; (represented by surges), not &quot;recovery of hit points&quot; -- strains my sense of verisimilitude.How many encounters is a level in 4E?&nbsp; Should a PC need any significant recovery time during those encounters?&nbsp; My feeling is &quot;yes.&quot;&nbsp; Yours may well be &quot;no,&quot; in which case we're probably back to why extant 4E healing works for you (I presume), but not for me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 4630108, member: 5122"] Anything I'm not quoting is a demurrer. If you throw the dart hard enough, it doesn't matter if you're throwing it 180 degrees off-target! Yes, number 6 is why. That's why "almost" entirely, though as I think about it, is it really necessary? If poison does "surge damage," it could just have its own attack roll, right? Anyway, just thinking out loud. Cool. I've suggested something similar in the House Rules forum for 3E, because I feel the designers really missed an opportunity to use Constitution damage to represent stuff like falls and drowning. Monsters would need fewer HP in 4E (as it exists now) because combat goes on for rounds after it's effectively settled, and those rounds mean damage. If hit points and surges for PCs don't significantly increase, those resources will be spent more quickly than they should be to reach the "10 encounter" goal I was talking about. Increasing hit points and surges is another way to balance things, but if 4E combats [I]do[/I] grind (and in my limited experience, they do), I figure might at well fix that at the same time. But again, bear in mind that this is the hypothetical situation of trying to retrofit currently existing 4E. Building from the ground up, it wouldn't need to be so much "eyeballing." I guess not. More than 10 encounters without significant healing -- and I mean "healing of injuries" (represented by surges), not "recovery of hit points" -- strains my sense of verisimilitude. How many encounters is a level in 4E? Should a PC need any significant recovery time during those encounters? My feeling is "yes." Yours may well be "no," in which case we're probably back to why extant 4E healing works for you (I presume), but not for me. [/QUOTE]

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