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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5923670" data-attributes="member: 87792">You'e demonstrated that you can cherry pick quotes from AD&amp;D that are ambiguous.&nbsp; You've given me nothing unambiguous from 1e.&nbsp; There's a huge difference here.2e I'll grant is unambiguous.Which means that my claim is that the definition of hit points changed between 1e and 2e.Um... because it's the clear one?&nbsp; Because it's the one that specifically deals with the issue and when used as a lens doesn't contradict anything else?&nbsp; Because it was what he said to clarify exactly that point?I'd disagree.&nbsp; 1e changes a stab through the heart into a light graze.&nbsp; 3.X just mumbles something and tries not to make obvious that there are two conflicting definitions.The point of poison is that it will take effect even on a graze.It takes stamina to roll with a fall.&nbsp; But I agree that falling damage is the elephant in the room for the 1e definition of hit points.&nbsp; And the 2e escalating toughness definition of hit points.&nbsp; Both fail in different ways.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5923670, member: 87792"] You'e demonstrated that you can cherry pick quotes from AD&D that are ambiguous. You've given me nothing unambiguous from 1e. There's a huge difference here. 2e I'll grant is unambiguous. Which means that my claim is that the definition of hit points changed between 1e and 2e. Um... because it's the clear one? Because it's the one that specifically deals with the issue and when used as a lens doesn't contradict anything else? Because it was what he said to clarify [I]exactly that point?[/I] I'd disagree. 1e changes a stab through the heart into a light graze. 3.X just mumbles something and tries not to make obvious that there are two conflicting definitions. The point of poison is that it will take effect [I]even on a graze[/I]. It takes stamina to roll with a fall. But I agree that falling damage is the elephant in the room for the 1e definition of hit points. And the 2e escalating toughness definition of hit points. Both fail in different ways. [/QUOTE]

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