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<blockquote data-quote="Iku Rex" data-source="post: 1792466" data-attributes="member: 752">I appreciate the effort, but I don't think you understood Scion either. Where?&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> Did he edit his posts at some point, replacing that simple question with the nonsense currently on display? And why on earth would he ask me that? Where do I suggest or imply that I am using the term in some special, non-standard way? Not to mention; what I think is self evident or not is completely irrelevant to my questions, as they involve Hypersmurf's idea of &quot;self evident&quot;. (Or is he trying to say that nothing is self evident in the rules?! And therefore my question is absurd?)No. (I'll pretend the answer was &quot;yes&quot; for the sake of argument.)Yes. (I'm not sure if &quot;self evident&quot; is the right term with regards to your questions, but I'll play along.) My turn: Is it self evident that the shillelagh spell (duration: 1 min./level) is not supposed to end (or get suppressed) the second you cast it? IMO the answer is &quot;yes&quot;. Hypersmurf presumably thinks the answer is &quot;yes&quot;, or he wouldn't keep bringing up shillelagh as an example. I'll even go out on a limb and predict that you too will say that the answer is &quot;yes&quot;. The difference is that anyone sufficiently intelligent to read a DnD rulebook will understand that shillelagh doesn't end when you cast it. It's not &quot;unclear&quot; in any way.What to we have to do? Had there been such a general rule, it would apply unless some rule said &quot;general rule X does not apply here&quot; OR it was clearly absurd for it to apply. Does the Eschew Materials feat let you cast a spell with a cheap material component without possessing that component? Remember, the &quot;Magic&quot; chapter clearly says that you need to possess a spells's material component to cast it. And nowhere in the feat does it say that this general rule no longer applies.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Iku Rex, post: 1792466, member: 752"] I appreciate the effort, but I don't think you understood Scion either. Where? :confused: Did he edit his posts at some point, replacing that simple question with the nonsense currently on display? And why on earth would he ask me that? Where do I suggest or imply that I am using the term in some special, non-standard way? Not to mention; what I think is self evident or not is completely irrelevant to my questions, as they involve [i]Hypersmurf's[/i] idea of "self evident". (Or is he trying to say that [i]nothing[/i] is self evident in the rules?! And therefore my question is absurd?) No. (I'll pretend the answer was "yes" for the sake of argument.) Yes. (I'm not sure if "self evident" is the right term with regards to your questions, but I'll play along.) My turn: Is it self evident that the shillelagh spell (duration: 1 min./level) is [b]not[/b] supposed to end (or get suppressed) the second you cast it? IMO the answer is "yes". Hypersmurf presumably thinks the answer is "yes", or he wouldn't keep bringing up shillelagh as an example. I'll even go out on a limb and predict that you too will say that the answer is "yes". The difference is that anyone sufficiently intelligent to read a DnD rulebook will understand that shillelagh [i]doesn't[/i] end when you cast it. It's not "unclear" in any way. What to we have to do? Had there been such a general rule, it would apply unless some rule said "general rule X does not apply here" OR it was clearly absurd for it to apply. Does the Eschew Materials feat let you cast a spell with a cheap material component without possessing that component? Remember, the "Magic" chapter clearly says that you need to possess a spells's material component to cast it. And nowhere in the feat does it say that this general rule no longer applies. [/QUOTE]

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