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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belbarrus" data-source="post: 937573" data-attributes="member: 10962">"More flawed logic."What logic? I am talking about the rules in the PH. Remember the book with the words and pictures that lists the rules on how to play the game?"You are trying to bend the rules to say something they don't: that hold person prevents you from thinking about moving. You are stretching."Hold Person is an enchantment compulsion spell: "Some spells determine the subject's actions (or the effects on the subject)"Hold person spell says: "The subject freezes in place, standing helpless."Therefore, the target is compelled to freeze in place, standing helpless; the spell effect determines this. It's right there! How am I bending the rules? *What* am I stretching? The Hold person spell is straightforward. All you guys are trying to find loopholes in OTHER spells that will negate the Hold person effect.  You guys are debating whether or not Fly, Levitate, etc is a mental action and THEN applying this to the Hold person spell effect. How am *I* the one trying to bend rules?Yes, the spell does not prevent you from wanting to move. You can cast a still, silent spell to do something. Someone can pick you up and carry you, etc. But the spell itself (straight from the rules) determines that you will freeze in place and stand helpless.You guys are over-discussing the subject.</blockquote>