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<blockquote data-quote="Belbarrus" data-source="post: 940581" data-attributes="member: 10962">What do you mean 'irrevelant&quot;? The whole point of this discussion is movement being limited by a hold person spell.Are you moving with the Fly spell? If yes, then the Hold spell stops you. If you say No, then that means you are immune to Attacks of Opportunity for moving through threat areas. Even with Fly, you are &quot;moving&quot; through their threat area. And the Hold Person spell prevents moving. Regardless&nbsp; of whether you &quot;control&quot; the Fly spell mentally or physically, you are still &quot;moving&quot;. If you do not consider this &quot;moving&quot; then use of the Fly spell would let you escape AOOs for going through someones threat area.Okay, then tell me *where* it says that moving with a Fly spell IS&nbsp; mental action! I have been asking this so many times. Just show me *where* the rules state that moving with the Fly spell IS a mental action. Why are you refusing to do this? I am ALSO looking at the description of the Fly spell and it does NOT say anywhere that moving with this spell is a mental action.Okay now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.&nbsp; &nbsp; P.157 of the PH, &quot;Compulsion: The spell forces the subject to act in some manner or changes the way her mind works.&quot; P 73 of the DMG &quot;A compulsion ovverides the subject's free will in some way or simply changes the way the subject's mind works.&quot;You are getting way off track here. The game rules says nothing about &quot;motor centers&quot; or &quot;spinal cords&quot;. You are going purely on speculation, opinion and interpretation and your side of the debate is not even staying within the boundaries of the game rules anymore.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Belbarrus, post: 940581, member: 10962"] What do you mean 'irrevelant"? The whole point of this discussion is movement being limited by a hold person spell. Are you moving with the Fly spell? If yes, then the Hold spell stops you. If you say No, then that means you are immune to Attacks of Opportunity for moving through threat areas. Even with Fly, you are "moving" through their threat area. And the Hold Person spell prevents moving. Regardless of whether you "control" the Fly spell mentally or physically, you are still "moving". If you do not consider this "moving" then use of the Fly spell would let you escape AOOs for going through someones threat area. Okay, then tell me *where* it says that moving with a Fly spell IS mental action! I have been asking this so many times. Just show me *where* the rules state that moving with the Fly spell IS a mental action. Why are you refusing to do this? I am ALSO looking at the description of the Fly spell and it does NOT say anywhere that moving with this spell is a mental action. Okay now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. P.157 of the PH, "Compulsion: The spell forces the subject to act in some manner or changes the way her mind works." P 73 of the DMG "A compulsion ovverides the subject's free will in some way or simply changes the way the subject's mind works." You are getting way off track here. The game rules says nothing about "motor centers" or "spinal cords". You are going purely on speculation, opinion and interpretation and your side of the debate is not even staying within the boundaries of the game rules anymore. [/QUOTE]

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