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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5897466" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>I did, in fact, call it cheese. I never said that it was anything but cheese. It is, however, legal cheese.</p><p></p><p>If you read the section on "cursed" items you'll see that it says that the problems aren't necessarily bad. Items that only work for certain races, classes or alignments are built under the "cursed item" rules, for example.</p><p></p><p>Now some "defective" or limited items used to rate a discount on creation costs under 3.0. In 1st and 2nd Ed "cursed" items were generally listed as worthless (though I do know a guy who kicked ass in a PVP tournament by investing in the "free" Dust of Choking and Sneezing.) Cursed scrolls, on the other hand, specifically cost 15% more to create.</p><p></p><p>Now consider a cursed scroll of <em>Fireball</em>. It goes off right on the person reading it just as soon as they read the title. In 1st and 2nd Edition, wands could be used by anyone, as could Protection scrolls. Because of that last part, just about anyone might pick up that scroll to see what it is.</p><p></p><p>What if a spell caster orders his Iron Golem to "read" the titles on every scroll he finds? Cursed scrolls go off when the titles are read, so you don't want to stand too close.</p><p></p><p>In that case, the <em>Fireball</em> wouldn't be a bad thing. Fire heals Iron Golems.</p><p></p><p>We could pick other spells and other examples of creatures reading them. <em>Cause Light Wounds</em> being read by an undead, for example.</p><p></p><p>Whether the effect is good or bad really depends on who ends up triggering the curse.</p><p></p><p>The mechanic for making the cursed scroll is the same never the less, and is quite legal. </p><p></p><p>Whether the DM will allow it to be used in this way, premeditatedly as it were, is the key question.</p><p></p><p>And of course, there's the basic problem that the character in question is Sorcerer based instead of Wizard, so he may or may not have Scribe Scroll. That may render the entire discussion academic.</p><p></p><p>So, is it cheesy? Yeah, it is. Is it against the rules? No, not really. </p><p></p><p>Will it work as desired? That's the key question, and the answer has to come from the DM. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5897466, member: 6669384"] I did, in fact, call it cheese. I never said that it was anything but cheese. It is, however, legal cheese. If you read the section on "cursed" items you'll see that it says that the problems aren't necessarily bad. Items that only work for certain races, classes or alignments are built under the "cursed item" rules, for example. Now some "defective" or limited items used to rate a discount on creation costs under 3.0. In 1st and 2nd Ed "cursed" items were generally listed as worthless (though I do know a guy who kicked ass in a PVP tournament by investing in the "free" Dust of Choking and Sneezing.) Cursed scrolls, on the other hand, specifically cost 15% more to create. Now consider a cursed scroll of [I]Fireball[/I]. It goes off right on the person reading it just as soon as they read the title. In 1st and 2nd Edition, wands could be used by anyone, as could Protection scrolls. Because of that last part, just about anyone might pick up that scroll to see what it is. What if a spell caster orders his Iron Golem to "read" the titles on every scroll he finds? Cursed scrolls go off when the titles are read, so you don't want to stand too close. In that case, the [I]Fireball[/I] wouldn't be a bad thing. Fire heals Iron Golems. We could pick other spells and other examples of creatures reading them. [I]Cause Light Wounds[/I] being read by an undead, for example. Whether the effect is good or bad really depends on who ends up triggering the curse. The mechanic for making the cursed scroll is the same never the less, and is quite legal. Whether the DM will allow it to be used in this way, premeditatedly as it were, is the key question. And of course, there's the basic problem that the character in question is Sorcerer based instead of Wizard, so he may or may not have Scribe Scroll. That may render the entire discussion academic. So, is it cheesy? Yeah, it is. Is it against the rules? No, not really. Will it work as desired? That's the key question, and the answer has to come from the DM. :) [/QUOTE]
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