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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 3955847" data-attributes="member: 5889">We are making a couple of assumptions that have to be looked at:1) Skill Focus provides a +5. Lets remember that feats are downgraded in 4e from what we've heard. They may provide a +4 or +3 bonus. Further, that skill training provides the +5 bonus.2) That skill focus will often be taken. I mean, in this example we are talking the paragon of perception, a man who is wholly dedicated to seeing stuff. Now if we are talking a guy with just an amazing wisdom (+4) an elf (+2), and trained (+5), we have a +9 bonus. This is only 2 points higher than our 3e equivalent (16 wis, elf, 4 ranks in spot).How often will characters take skill focus?3) Will skill focus even be in the game? Perhaps their will only be reroll feats, and not straight bonuses like in SAGA, we just don't know yet.</blockquote>