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<blockquote data-quote="Voss" data-source="post: 3955979" data-attributes="member: 57593"><p>+15 is way too high. Its literally 75% of the possible results on a d20, almost to the point that the die roll doesn't even matter. </p><p></p><p>Its better than 3e, true, but really, next you're going to tell me that a mansion is better than a shack.</p><p></p><p>OK, on the Saga thing, you are correct. There are assumptions built in. But lets take a look at what we actually do know. 100% verifiable facts.</p><p>An elf, at first level can take the negate combat advantage feat, which gives a +2 perception (feat) bonus.</p><p>Between that and his +2 perception bonus and his +2 to wisdom, a first level elf can be at an extra +5 over the 'normal' maximum for a perception roll (whatever that is).</p><p></p><p>He an extra 25% bonus on perception checks. He is hitting a static DC an extra one quarter of the time. Thats a rather large stack of bonuses he can sit on at first level. </p><p>Thats really stretching the limit of the statistical curve. And you can *start* that way with one feat.</p><p></p><p>If perception is a passive skill, he is 25% less likely to be surprised be stealthy enemies. Thats a very significant game effect. </p><p></p><p> (And it should be pointed out that we've been told that most things advance a 1/2 level. I do believe skills were included in this list. He's competing equally with a significant number of 10th level characters).</p><p></p><p></p><p>(back to speculation for a minute. if you add this +5 to the +15 you say is the sweet spot, you've got a 100% win rate. The perception junky always wins. Thats... bad.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voss, post: 3955979, member: 57593"] +15 is way too high. Its literally 75% of the possible results on a d20, almost to the point that the die roll doesn't even matter. Its better than 3e, true, but really, next you're going to tell me that a mansion is better than a shack. OK, on the Saga thing, you are correct. There are assumptions built in. But lets take a look at what we actually do know. 100% verifiable facts. An elf, at first level can take the negate combat advantage feat, which gives a +2 perception (feat) bonus. Between that and his +2 perception bonus and his +2 to wisdom, a first level elf can be at an extra +5 over the 'normal' maximum for a perception roll (whatever that is). He an extra 25% bonus on perception checks. He is hitting a static DC an extra one quarter of the time. Thats a rather large stack of bonuses he can sit on at first level. Thats really stretching the limit of the statistical curve. And you can *start* that way with one feat. If perception is a passive skill, he is 25% less likely to be surprised be stealthy enemies. Thats a very significant game effect. (And it should be pointed out that we've been told that most things advance a 1/2 level. I do believe skills were included in this list. He's competing equally with a significant number of 10th level characters). (back to speculation for a minute. if you add this +5 to the +15 you say is the sweet spot, you've got a 100% win rate. The perception junky always wins. Thats... bad.) [/QUOTE]
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