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<blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 2461010" data-attributes="member: 812"><p>This is a really weird thread -- it's like there's some secret process running that is altering every post as people view it so that nobody's having the same conversation.</p><p></p><p>Here's what I got out of it:</p><p></p><p>reveal posted a comment that suggested that crappy movies make less money, in general. His evidence was that movies that got poor reviews show more or less lower box-office take. He WASN'T saying that poor reviews ALWAYS equal crappy films, or that low box-office always equals crappy films -- he wasn't making any point at all in that direction. He was just saying that there seems to be a correlation between poor reviews and lower box-office performance.</p><p></p><p>I agree. I see the same correlation he does. Then I see a whole bunch of posts about how "I don't listen to critics" or "Money isn't what determines great art".</p><p></p><p>Then JD comes along and says "Nobody's saying money determines what's great art, but money is pretty much the only objective data we have."</p><p></p><p>And responses come predictably saying "Innovation and growing audience."</p><p></p><p>And I say, "Um. What?"</p><p></p><p>I mean, I'll take Hijinks' comment on <em>Chicago</em>. Is it a fact that MORE people now watch musicals because of <em>Chicago</em>? Are musicals known to be more successful in its wake than beforehand? Are we seeing an explosion of musicals now to take advantage of this swelling demand?</p><p></p><p>I'm not. I mean sure, <em>Rent</em> is on the way but that was only a matter of time anyhow.</p><p></p><p>It's a nice theory, and maybe it's true, but I think you're making that up. Likewise MM's comment about how <em>2001</em> effected some huge transformation in the way people think about science fiction. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Where's the evidence? Without any evidence, or at least a suggestion of where to look, this is just opinion-throwing.</p><p></p><p>Point being that reveal came up with a pretty striking correlation between reviews and money, and you can deduce from that correlation that movies that most people think suck don't make as much money as movies most people think rock. And that's NOT just opinion-throwing, that's looking at facts and considering what they mean.</p><p></p><p>Movies that I think suck make huge money, and movies that I think rock lose spectacularly, but that's because everyone else in the world has such terrible taste.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="barsoomcore, post: 2461010, member: 812"] This is a really weird thread -- it's like there's some secret process running that is altering every post as people view it so that nobody's having the same conversation. Here's what I got out of it: reveal posted a comment that suggested that crappy movies make less money, in general. His evidence was that movies that got poor reviews show more or less lower box-office take. He WASN'T saying that poor reviews ALWAYS equal crappy films, or that low box-office always equals crappy films -- he wasn't making any point at all in that direction. He was just saying that there seems to be a correlation between poor reviews and lower box-office performance. I agree. I see the same correlation he does. Then I see a whole bunch of posts about how "I don't listen to critics" or "Money isn't what determines great art". Then JD comes along and says "Nobody's saying money determines what's great art, but money is pretty much the only objective data we have." And responses come predictably saying "Innovation and growing audience." And I say, "Um. What?" I mean, I'll take Hijinks' comment on [i]Chicago[/i]. Is it a fact that MORE people now watch musicals because of [i]Chicago[/i]? Are musicals known to be more successful in its wake than beforehand? Are we seeing an explosion of musicals now to take advantage of this swelling demand? I'm not. I mean sure, [i]Rent[/i] is on the way but that was only a matter of time anyhow. It's a nice theory, and maybe it's true, but I think you're making that up. Likewise MM's comment about how [i]2001[/i] effected some huge transformation in the way people think about science fiction. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Where's the evidence? Without any evidence, or at least a suggestion of where to look, this is just opinion-throwing. Point being that reveal came up with a pretty striking correlation between reviews and money, and you can deduce from that correlation that movies that most people think suck don't make as much money as movies most people think rock. And that's NOT just opinion-throwing, that's looking at facts and considering what they mean. Movies that I think suck make huge money, and movies that I think rock lose spectacularly, but that's because everyone else in the world has such terrible taste. :D [/QUOTE]
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