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<blockquote data-quote="hirou" data-source="post: 6747786" data-attributes="member: 6776023">One of my players made Sherlock Holmes-like PC, eladrin artificier (and yes, he's playing violin). He has heavily invested in Arcana-boosting options, and today, starting paragon, finally unveiled the combo he was building: by taking Arcana prodigy feat (sorcerer multiclass) and then Sorcerous vision (roll Arcana instead of Perception and Insight) he now has passive 40 in both Perception and Insight. Some things to consider:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I've extensively checked the build, it is legal, skill substitutions apply to passive checks according to WotC forums consensus and RC definition of &quot;passive check value&quot;;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">the rest of the party is not heavily optimized; we have tiefling feylock, changeling psion, eladrin fighter and elf avenger;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">the player explicitly skipped some damage optimization in favor on Arcana and Perception stuff, and he's heavily invested in his character flavor, and I definitely don't want to punish him for this;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I don't think I have a Stealth or Bluff DC 41 written anywhere for the next 4 adventures at least (we're playing Zeitgeist adventure path BTW).</li>
</ul>I'm mostly troubled that this removes a whole layer of the game; basically, no hiding monsters, no surprise traps, no Bluffing evil guys, no illusions. Any advice on how to deal with this? How would you challenge Holmes?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hirou, post: 6747786, member: 6776023"] [FONT=verdana]One of my players made Sherlock Holmes-like PC, eladrin artificier (and yes, he's playing violin). He has heavily invested in Arcana-boosting options, and today, starting paragon, finally unveiled the combo he was building: by taking Arcana prodigy feat (sorcerer multiclass) and then Sorcerous vision (roll Arcana instead of Perception and Insight) he now has passive 40 in both Perception and Insight. Some things to consider:[/FONT] [LIST] [*]I've extensively checked the build, it is legal, skill substitutions apply to passive checks according to WotC forums consensus and RC definition of "passive check value"; [*]the rest of the party is not heavily optimized; we have tiefling feylock, changeling psion, eladrin fighter and elf avenger; [*]the player explicitly skipped some damage optimization in favor on Arcana and Perception stuff, and he's heavily invested in his character flavor, and I definitely don't want to punish him for this; [*]I don't think I have a Stealth or Bluff DC 41 written anywhere for the next 4 adventures at least (we're playing Zeitgeist adventure path BTW). [/LIST] [FONT=verdana]I'm mostly troubled that this removes a whole layer of the game; basically, no hiding monsters, no surprise traps, no Bluffing evil guys, no illusions. Any advice on how to deal with this? How would you challenge Holmes?[/FONT] [/QUOTE]

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