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<blockquote data-quote="MwaO" data-source="post: 6755214" data-attributes="member: 12749">Generally, when a player optimizes to the point of being detrimental to some part of the game, the first thing that needs to be done is to ask the player what their goals are. Do they want to be challenged? Do they want to auto-succeed at a subset of tasks in the game? Do they want to hog the spotlight whenever X comes up?Also, a few things based on the level 10 build:His numbers are off. He's replacing his Perception/Insight scores with Arcana. He doesn't then get to add bonuses to Perception or Insight to the final Arcana result. I'd also question where he's getting +10 to Arcana from - +2 from Eladrin, +3 from feat, +1 Disciple of Lore, +2 item bonus from boon, and that seems to be it. Binding Mastery doesn't add to either of those, only to very specific checks. So that'll drop his passive perception/insight to 34. Which is still is exceptionally high, but...He has three boons by 10th level? Those are DM permission only and I'm not sure why you would give those out.Where are the feats that allow him to do this on his sheet? Sorcerous Vision in particular is a Paragon-only feat, so he can't have it at 10th level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MwaO, post: 6755214, member: 12749"] Generally, when a player optimizes to the point of being detrimental to some part of the game, the first thing that needs to be done is to ask the player what their goals are. Do they want to be challenged? Do they want to auto-succeed at a subset of tasks in the game? Do they want to hog the spotlight whenever X comes up? Also, a few things based on the level 10 build: His numbers are off. He's replacing his Perception/Insight scores with Arcana. He doesn't then get to add bonuses to Perception or Insight to the final Arcana result. I'd also question where he's getting +10 to Arcana from - +2 from Eladrin, +3 from feat, +1 Disciple of Lore, +2 item bonus from boon, and that seems to be it. Binding Mastery doesn't add to either of those, only to very specific checks. So that'll drop his passive perception/insight to 34. Which is still is exceptionally high, but... He has three boons by 10th level? Those are DM permission only and I'm not sure why you would give those out. Where are the feats that allow him to do this on his sheet? Sorcerous Vision in particular is a Paragon-only feat, so he can't have it at 10th level. [/QUOTE]

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