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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Old Gumphrey" data-source="post: 4811187" data-attributes="member: 12872">Or, we're such tactical geniuses that we don't need other roles, and can survive on damage alone. Meh.Wow. I almost poo'd in my pants because I laughed SO HARD. Is someone seriously comparing all other editions of D&D to World of Warcraft, while 4e is the gleaming pinnacle of strategy, tactics, and not-like-MMO gameplay? When every single attack but like 5 of them deals damage? LoL x 3d6 + 12. I actually hate it when people compare D&D to any MMO game, but be honest with yourself. If any edition of D&D is most like WoW, it's gotta be 4e. As Mr. Everquest pointed out, MMO games utilize various roles such as that 4e INTRODUCED TO THE SYSTEM. Pre-4e D&D was basically the opposite of divided roles: bring them down any way possible, as fast as possible. Yeah, clerics healed and fighters fought, but a fighter didn't do anythinig a barbarian couldn't do. One was chocolate, one was vanilla, but they were both ice cream. Now the roles are artificiated (I made this word up) into categories so that people can think they are playing a detailed strategy game. When if you would just try the game out with a party full of optimized strikers you'd see that any other class is just fluff. 1d6 + 7 to everyone (including your allies)...yeah, that's really cool and all, but flanking and 1d4 + 2d8 + 10 to one person is just terribly better. In one party, someone is bloodied and prone, and getting up next round to hit you. In the other party, that someone is dead, and will not be attacking next round.But seriously, thanks for the laugh. I never thought I'd see the day. So...strikers that focus only on damage and not attack rolls while simultaneously ignoring non-AC attacks such as reflex are compared to wizards who max Int and attack reflex with low damage? Apples & oranges. Plus, if you're a striker and you're not maxing out your attack bonus, you are kind of missing the point.</blockquote>

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