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<blockquote data-quote="tiornys" data-source="post: 4811189" data-attributes="member: 17633"><p>Dead is the best debuff, agreed, but it's difficult to apply to multiple non-minion enemies early in a fight (especially without the support of a leader). What the controller can do is debuff the entire enemy party with a strong debuff while the rest of the party works on applying the dead condition to the most threatening enemy.</p><p></p><p>As far as your experience with a non-damaging daily targeting a bunch of minions...that sounds like an example of ineffective in-game tactics. <em>No</em> role is going to look good when using poor tactics.</p><p></p><p>Really? The Fighter can take the three Artillery completely out of the fight on round 1 without even using an attack power? The Rogue can shatter the enemy formation at will? The Cleric can daze the entire enemy force? Please explain how.</p><p></p><p>What happens when that enemy party has surprise? And wins initiative? The party with the Defender and the Controller is much better at recovering from these kinds of worst-case scenarios, and (if built well and played properly) comparable in better situations.</p><p></p><p>You either overestimate the damage potential of a striker or underestimate the potential of the other roles. Strikers do more damage, yes, but not that much more.</p><p></p><p>You really think the striker team can take out 2-3 enemies in one round, and the balanced team can't even take one of those enemies out? I'm pretty sure that, on average, 3-4 blinded enemies deal less damage than 2-3 unhindered ones. As do 2 enemies that are forced to use their basic attacks and 1-2 enemies that can't reach a party member. As do any number of other combinations of 3-4 debuffed enemies. Especially when those attacks are going against higher defenses than possessed by most strikers. And trying to bring down higher HP totals.</p><p></p><p>t~</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tiornys, post: 4811189, member: 17633"] Dead is the best debuff, agreed, but it's difficult to apply to multiple non-minion enemies early in a fight (especially without the support of a leader). What the controller can do is debuff the entire enemy party with a strong debuff while the rest of the party works on applying the dead condition to the most threatening enemy. As far as your experience with a non-damaging daily targeting a bunch of minions...that sounds like an example of ineffective in-game tactics. [i]No[/i] role is going to look good when using poor tactics. Really? The Fighter can take the three Artillery completely out of the fight on round 1 without even using an attack power? The Rogue can shatter the enemy formation at will? The Cleric can daze the entire enemy force? Please explain how. What happens when that enemy party has surprise? And wins initiative? The party with the Defender and the Controller is much better at recovering from these kinds of worst-case scenarios, and (if built well and played properly) comparable in better situations. You either overestimate the damage potential of a striker or underestimate the potential of the other roles. Strikers do more damage, yes, but not that much more. You really think the striker team can take out 2-3 enemies in one round, and the balanced team can't even take one of those enemies out? I'm pretty sure that, on average, 3-4 blinded enemies deal less damage than 2-3 unhindered ones. As do 2 enemies that are forced to use their basic attacks and 1-2 enemies that can't reach a party member. As do any number of other combinations of 3-4 debuffed enemies. Especially when those attacks are going against higher defenses than possessed by most strikers. And trying to bring down higher HP totals. t~ [/QUOTE]
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