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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lamoni" data-source="post: 1997399" data-attributes="member: 12680">Like a rogue with improved invisibility using a spiked chain?  Of course, the rogue would have to be 12th level (or 15th level if not human) to get all the feats required for whirlwind attack.  Add on another 3 levels if the rogue also wants weapon finess.  That just means that a rogue could take out large sections of an army.  Most of those feats would be wasted in our campaign where most encounters are against only a few high level enemies.  The same thing could be done with great cleave rather than whirlwind attack, but great cleave is another wasted feat unless you fight hordes of enemies regularly.However.  If someone did spend the feats on it and they did get to use it, it would be quite a site to imagine.  Enlarge the rogue for greater reach and he could do base+8d6 damage to up to 80 creatures that surrounded him.  That scene in FotR in the mines of moria would have been a lot less intimidating.  Then enter the balrog that is immune to sneak attack damage and the rogue wets his pants and runs for his life.Edit: upon further reflection, a 10th level sorcerer could do the same or more damage from each of his fireballs and he'd be 5 levels lower.  Therefore I think that proves that the rogue really did waste those feats.  Warrior types should focus on dealing damage to single opponents and leave the crowd control to the spellcasters.</blockquote>