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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7481998" data-attributes="member: 42582">What games do you have in mind here other than D&amp;D and its offshoots?Eg Rolemaster is, in some sense, a class and level based games - class sets points cost for abilities, and points can only be spent when a level is gained, and are subject to a complex system of caps - but combat abiity does not auto-advance in Rolemaster.This is true of 3E. It's not true of AD&amp;D: in 1st ed AD&amp;D nothing is said about paladin or ranger casting level and so we always just treated it as class level; in 2nd ed AD&amp;D casting level is at 1st when spells are gained, and goes up by 1 per level gained to a maximum of 9th level casting ability.I think the point is that an AD&amp;D or 3E magic-user's ability to fight with weapons improves with level even if the character never uses any weapons in the period over which that level was gained. Or in other words, combat abilities do not advance proportionality to their use: use might be zero and yet some advance occur.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7481998, member: 42582"] What games do you have in mind here other than D&D and its offshoots? Eg Rolemaster is, in some sense, a class and level based games - class sets points cost for abilities, and points can only be spent when a level is gained, and are subject to a complex system of caps - but combat abiity does not auto-advance in Rolemaster. This is true of 3E. It's not true of AD&D: in 1st ed AD&D nothing is said about paladin or ranger casting level and so we always just treated it as class level; in 2nd ed AD&D casting level is at 1st when spells are gained, and goes up by 1 per level gained to a maximum of 9th level casting ability. I think the point is that an AD&D or 3E magic-user's ability to fight with weapons improves with level even if the character never uses any weapons in the period over which that level was gained. Or in other words, combat abilities do not advance proportionality to their use: use might be zero and yet some advance occur. [/QUOTE]

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