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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hillsy7" data-source="post: 7150652" data-attributes="member: 6689191">While you're perfectly entitled to houserule and homebrew to your hearts content....it is a deviation from the PHB assessment of Elves.Elves (high and wood specifically) are not charming beings. Yes, they are physically alluring (The PHB states Slender and 'Graceful' - which sounds like a catch-all for 'pretty') and they love "good" things (the PHB says Nature, magic, art, music, poetry), but nothing of that has anything to do with interaction - only what people see. Nearly everything in the PHB points to an insular, arrogant, or somewhat alien approach to society (one of the defining features of both the PHB and Tolkein Elves is how much their long life warps their view of morality and empathy, two important factors for Charismatic people). Look at the quotes from the PHB:"Elves can live well over 700 years, giving them a broad perspective on events that might trouble the shorter-lived races.""They tend to remain aloof and unfazed by petty happenstance.""They are slow to make friends and enemies.""They reply to petty insults with distain.""They have been known to retreat from intrusions into their woodland homes, confident they can wait out the invaders.""Their contact with outsiders is usually limited.""They dislike the pace of human society."Those quote above don't apply themselves very well to the 4 charisma skills: Deception, Intimidation, Persuasion, and Performance. Contrast and compare with the Tieflng PHB entry which contains:"Tieflings subsist in small minorities mostly found in human cities or towns, often in the roughest quarters of those places, where they grow up to be swindlers, thieves or crime lords.""After dealing with this mistrust throughout youth, a tiefling often develops the ability to overcome prejudice through charm or intimidation"Now this feels like a race that exists by wriggling into society and manipulating it. The Lightfoot Halflings even state explicitly that they are can take up lives living alongside, alongside their typical affable, kind, and curious Halflingness....The fey heritage and Charm immunity is because they live so long and have such a strong sense of self. The half-elf Charisma bump is there because they have all the fey appearance of an elf, but have a human outlook on society - their dual heritage shakes off all the issues with being elven. I suspect the Drow lean towards the powerful sociopath who needs host-society to manipulate and subjugate.So yes, by all means create your own race/subrace that is more enthralling (literally) fae than Tolkein Gladriel, sure. Excellent - a high Charisma race built around a sort of supernatural otherworldliness - kinda like faerie vampires - would be cool. However, I don't think trying to tag that only the existing Elf race is reflective of the PHB/Tolkein elves.</blockquote>

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