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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 471346" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>OK, I want some feedback. For a d20 Modern game, I'd like to pretend I'm Harry Turtledove and come up with an alternate history setting -- the modern world, but with some key things changed. Here's the crux of my proposal:</p><p></p><p>WWII kinda fizzled out after Hitler died in 1941-2-ish. The Wehrmacht was able to seize control of the government and they had strategists that were able to hold on to their possessions at this point (Vichy France, much of Western and Central Europe) without biting off more than they could chew with Russia and the US. Although the Nazi ideology was somewhat softened for a long-term survival by the remaining Nazi party, it's core idealism remains in place to this day in a large Teutonic Empire. With the slowdown of Nazi aggression, Japan also pulled back on its own aggressive stance before bombing Pearl Harbor. Therefore, Imperial Japan survives into the modern time period, with holdings in what is currently Russia, Korea, China and much of the South Pacific islands, and they were unchallenged in a "hot" war by the US. This leads to a different kind of Cold War history -- not one in which two superpowers stood facing each other down for decades, but rather one in which four or five superpowers had periods of relative friendship and alliance vs. relative aggression and these alliances shifted and changed from year to year and decade to decade. Imperial Japan, the Teutonic Nazi Empire, the United States and the Soviet Union all stand against each other.</p><p></p><p>I've got a pretty good idea what will happen in South America. Barred from being able to influence events in Europe as the United States did in real history, the US turns increasingly protective and imperialistic towards Latin America, and their alliance with the shadow of Great Britain and the Commonwealth is also even stronger (without the victory over Germany, Great Britain is extremely hemmed in and paranoid about the Germans.) South America is thus run by a variety of puppet governments, although undercurrents of deep resentment fester in most nations. In addition, instead of being the infamous hiding place of many Nazis, it is ironically the hiding place of many anti-Nazi germans. In fact, most of the Germans who came to Brazil and Argentina came <em>before</em> WWII anyway, so this is a great refuge for those who don't accept the Teutonic Nazi Empire. The US heavily courts this faction, and uses many of them as agents in the Cold War.</p><p></p><p>Here's what I don't really know about -- what would the Middle East and China look like in this situation? I'm not really familiar with their histories prior to WWII, so I'm not sure how to extrapolate a "high-level" history for these major power blocks given this new version of history. Also, what other wars -- the alternate versions of Russo-Afghanistan, Vietnam and the Korean Wars (for instance) seem likely? I need to fabricate a good 50-60 years of alternate history, and I don't want the world to have been static for all that time. However, I do want to maintain the four main power blocks -- the Nazis, the West (US/Britain), the Soviets and the Japanese, and possibly the Chinese as a fifth world power, or a Middle Eastern leader of some kind who is able to unite the Arab world into a nation of some kind?!?</p><p></p><p>Anyway, especially for the historians, but anyone else with any ideas, please contribute!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 471346, member: 2205"] OK, I want some feedback. For a d20 Modern game, I'd like to pretend I'm Harry Turtledove and come up with an alternate history setting -- the modern world, but with some key things changed. Here's the crux of my proposal: WWII kinda fizzled out after Hitler died in 1941-2-ish. The Wehrmacht was able to seize control of the government and they had strategists that were able to hold on to their possessions at this point (Vichy France, much of Western and Central Europe) without biting off more than they could chew with Russia and the US. Although the Nazi ideology was somewhat softened for a long-term survival by the remaining Nazi party, it's core idealism remains in place to this day in a large Teutonic Empire. With the slowdown of Nazi aggression, Japan also pulled back on its own aggressive stance before bombing Pearl Harbor. Therefore, Imperial Japan survives into the modern time period, with holdings in what is currently Russia, Korea, China and much of the South Pacific islands, and they were unchallenged in a "hot" war by the US. This leads to a different kind of Cold War history -- not one in which two superpowers stood facing each other down for decades, but rather one in which four or five superpowers had periods of relative friendship and alliance vs. relative aggression and these alliances shifted and changed from year to year and decade to decade. Imperial Japan, the Teutonic Nazi Empire, the United States and the Soviet Union all stand against each other. I've got a pretty good idea what will happen in South America. Barred from being able to influence events in Europe as the United States did in real history, the US turns increasingly protective and imperialistic towards Latin America, and their alliance with the shadow of Great Britain and the Commonwealth is also even stronger (without the victory over Germany, Great Britain is extremely hemmed in and paranoid about the Germans.) South America is thus run by a variety of puppet governments, although undercurrents of deep resentment fester in most nations. In addition, instead of being the infamous hiding place of many Nazis, it is ironically the hiding place of many anti-Nazi germans. In fact, most of the Germans who came to Brazil and Argentina came [i]before[/i] WWII anyway, so this is a great refuge for those who don't accept the Teutonic Nazi Empire. The US heavily courts this faction, and uses many of them as agents in the Cold War. Here's what I don't really know about -- what would the Middle East and China look like in this situation? I'm not really familiar with their histories prior to WWII, so I'm not sure how to extrapolate a "high-level" history for these major power blocks given this new version of history. Also, what other wars -- the alternate versions of Russo-Afghanistan, Vietnam and the Korean Wars (for instance) seem likely? I need to fabricate a good 50-60 years of alternate history, and I don't want the world to have been static for all that time. However, I do want to maintain the four main power blocks -- the Nazis, the West (US/Britain), the Soviets and the Japanese, and possibly the Chinese as a fifth world power, or a Middle Eastern leader of some kind who is able to unite the Arab world into a nation of some kind?!? Anyway, especially for the historians, but anyone else with any ideas, please contribute! [/QUOTE]
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