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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bob Mackenzie" data-source="post: 477386" data-attributes="member: 8799">Great ThreadRandom thoughts...There is no way Germany and the USSR will be allies  - the Molotov Ribbentroff pact (ie the non agression treaty) was of mutual short term benefit but the two political systems are dimetrically opposed.Its open to debate wether Stalin actually intended to strike Germany - certainly plans existed to do so, but remeber that in 41 the Russian economy was significantly weaker than Germany's and Stalin knew it.However both sides were making allies (Germany) or annexing land (USSR) in Eastern Europe. For example The Russians took Bessarbarabia from Romania in 1940, this was the main reason that Romania took part in Barbarossa campaign.I can see a series of surrogate wars and gurilla campaigns in Eastern Europe - with Germany sponsoring guerillas fighting Soviet occupation in Besserbarabia, the Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania and maybe in occupied Poland. The Soviets trting to destabilise Germany's allies: Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Finland and sponsoring Tito's Partisans in Yugoslavia and the Communist Partisans in Greece (While the Brits sposor the Monarchist Chetnik Partisans in Yugoslavia and ELAS in Greece)An intersting point - although both allied to the Germans Hungary and Romania hate each other and contest the sovreingty of Transylvania. The Hungarians also took territory off Slovakia in 1939. So Germany will have difficulty keeping the peace between her allies.So the Warsaw Pact is a GERMAN creation and would contain Bulgaria (may be though Bulgaria is historically Pro Russian), Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Germany and probably Finland. It may also inculde Denmark as the Germans let Denmark keep a small army until 1943 and many Danes volunteered to serve in the SS. It may also have included Franco in Spain. He was loathe to ally with Germany in WW2 but in an alternate history where Germany has basically won that may changeI wonder if Germany would have annexed Vichy France in 43?What about Italy?CheersBob</blockquote>

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