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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sixchan" data-source="post: 531086" data-attributes="member: 9189">Hmm, what if Roosevelt wasn't president at the time of the Pearl Harbour attack?  What if it went right, and it just kept  the Americans out, instead of dragging them in?Hmm...<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Roosevelt loses Election in America (or, Roosevelt was already dead)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hitler Dies 1941ish Wehrmacht takes control</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Pearl Harbour is Attacked, Weak-Willed American President gets scared</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">America threatens to stop supplying Britain if it doesn't offer peace to the new Nazi Reigime</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Peace Talks take place, and the War in Europe ends</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Germany develops the Bomb, but vows not to use it on Britain except in Self-Defence (as the Brits were pretty close to the top of the Nazi Social Heirarchy). Japan is not given plans.  Relations Sour.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">US develops Bomb, Britain does likewise not long after.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">New US President begins Influencing South American Governments, many African Colonies not under Nazi Administration join the Brirish Empire/Commonwealth.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A Charismatic Muslim Cleric preaches the need to defend Islam from any future Imperialism, citing the success of the Japanese.  Muslim countries form into tight alliance.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Britain, spared from the wrath of Germany, begins sending military supplies to the Nationalists in China.  Mao is killed in an unexpected battle, and a Capitalist, Partially Democratic government grows from the Nationalists.  With the Division gone, China begins to halt the Advance of Japan.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">With the Nazi blockade aganst Britain gone, the Wehrmacht Government sees opportunities to revitalise its almost dying economy.  Trading Begins between the Nazis and the British Commonwealh.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Japanese Break off their alliance with Germany, which Germany doesn't mind; the war is mostly over, and the Japanese aren't exacly "up there" when it comes to Racial Purity.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">With their war slowing to a halt, the British's Pacific Islands better protected from attack, Japan begins to concentrate on Economy.</li> </ul>In this situation (up to about 1947), I believe that Britain would in time become somewhat friendly to Germany if not nominally Allied (W.C. would turn in his grave!), the Commonwealth/Empire would become more Industrial, India would be a Dominion if Not fully independant.  Imperial Japan would in time become an Economic Powerhouse, as attitudes to foreigners would soften once the push let up.  China would also become much more Industrial, and would be allied with the Commonwealth.  The Islamic Empire would be a large target for dirty dealings, and probably economicly open but socially isolationist.Nazi Germany would be pretty open to the British and Americans ("Racial Purity" and all that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />), possibly as I said, nominally Allied, and friendly to the Islamic Empire (the people of the Middle East are, in general, Caucasian, and so probably pretty "Racially Pure").The USSR is an Enigma.  How it fares will depend on may other Factors.  Should America and/or Britain be more against Germany than the USSR, then they will be propping it up.  If Germany has an Ally in either Britain or America, the Soviet Union will likely have collapsed and Germany will hold as far as the Urals, and Japan will hold much of the East.  Unless Germany itself is not propping up a weak Soviet government, as it does not want all that extra territory with all those "Racially Unpure" Slavs, and it doesn't like the idea of Japanese or Chinese Expansion.  Of course, all those purges Stalin did could result in someone getting mad.  A very early Gorbachev figure could Capitalise the USSR and get great assistance from the US and the Commonwealth.The Last option would likely mean that all war would be covert, James Bond/Solid Snake style, with possibly small border skirmishes.  That is what you're looking for, right?Wow.  I can't believe how long this took! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />---Situation in 1947Red/Pink = Axis countries / Axis TerritoriesBrown/Orange = Britain+Dominions / Colonies+Commonwealth CountriesAqua/Cyan = USA / US PuppetsImperial Purple/Magenta = Japan / TerritoriesYellow = ChinaBlack = USSRGreen = Islamic Empire<img src="http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/1947.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />EDIT: Ack.  It didn't attach!  Gimmie a sec...</blockquote>

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