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<blockquote data-quote="Distracted DM" data-source="post: 9847120" data-attributes="member: 6894926"><p>I wonder if it'd be better if the spellcasting check used your proficiency bonus instead of your spellcasting stat. I've been considering what the DCs would be, what the chances of success would be using different DCs and different check methods.</p><p></p><p>DC10+Spell Level, using Spellcast stat:</p><p>Level 1 character, level 1 spell, DC 11 and they have a +3 or +4 to the check. </p><p>Level 9 character, level 5 spell, DC 15 and they have +5 to that check. </p><p>Level 13 character, level 7 spell, DC 17 and they have +5 or +6 to that check (figure there's some magic in there somewhere by that level). </p><p>Level 18 character, level 9 spell, DC 19 with a +6 or +7.</p><p></p><p>Do I want level 7 spells to be recastable many times per day? With an almost 50/50 chance, figure some inspiration uses in there, that seems too powerful. I don't want to balance around tier 4 play, but a level 18 wizard is recasting level 9 spells with some reliability. No thank you. </p><p></p><p>If we increase the DC a little, say 12+Spell Level, that moves the needle a bit but not much. </p><p>Making the DC 8+ 2xSpell Level means that that 9th level character casting a 5th level spell is going vs DC 18 with a +5... that's not bad. A level 13 character with a 7th level spell is looking at DC 22. Hm. Still possible. This might be the move? A level 18 character with 9th lvl spell is DC 28- not possible to recast. I don't think I have a problem with 9th level spells not being recastable, or remotely possibly with some help from some Guidance or something. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Using PB makes things a lot flatter.</p><p>DC10+Spell Level, using PB:</p><p>Lvl 1 char, lvl 1 spell, DC 11 with a +2.</p><p>Lvl 9 char, lvl 5 spell, DC 15 with a +4.</p><p>Lvl 13 char, lvl 7 spell, DC 17 with a +5. </p><p>Lvl 18 char, lvl 9 spell, DC 19 with a +6. </p><p></p><p>Not loving this. So Spellcasting ability check, DC 8+ 2xSpell Level seems solid. It's a little kludgy, but not bad.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Distracted DM, post: 9847120, member: 6894926"] I wonder if it'd be better if the spellcasting check used your proficiency bonus instead of your spellcasting stat. I've been considering what the DCs would be, what the chances of success would be using different DCs and different check methods. DC10+Spell Level, using Spellcast stat: Level 1 character, level 1 spell, DC 11 and they have a +3 or +4 to the check. Level 9 character, level 5 spell, DC 15 and they have +5 to that check. Level 13 character, level 7 spell, DC 17 and they have +5 or +6 to that check (figure there's some magic in there somewhere by that level). Level 18 character, level 9 spell, DC 19 with a +6 or +7. Do I want level 7 spells to be recastable many times per day? With an almost 50/50 chance, figure some inspiration uses in there, that seems too powerful. I don't want to balance around tier 4 play, but a level 18 wizard is recasting level 9 spells with some reliability. No thank you. If we increase the DC a little, say 12+Spell Level, that moves the needle a bit but not much. Making the DC 8+ 2xSpell Level means that that 9th level character casting a 5th level spell is going vs DC 18 with a +5... that's not bad. A level 13 character with a 7th level spell is looking at DC 22. Hm. Still possible. This might be the move? A level 18 character with 9th lvl spell is DC 28- not possible to recast. I don't think I have a problem with 9th level spells not being recastable, or remotely possibly with some help from some Guidance or something. Using PB makes things a lot flatter. DC10+Spell Level, using PB: Lvl 1 char, lvl 1 spell, DC 11 with a +2. Lvl 9 char, lvl 5 spell, DC 15 with a +4. Lvl 13 char, lvl 7 spell, DC 17 with a +5. Lvl 18 char, lvl 9 spell, DC 19 with a +6. Not loving this. So Spellcasting ability check, DC 8+ 2xSpell Level seems solid. It's a little kludgy, but not bad. [/QUOTE]
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