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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charles Rampant" data-source="post: 7038612" data-attributes="member: 32659">I think that the thread is getting a little sidetracked by personal opinions...To the OP: I'd suggest not making them a Charisma caster - that seems a bit strong for a subclass - but instead provide some things that make them charismatic. Something like burning a spell slot to gain advantage on persuasion checks, and being able to use Turn Divinity to let allies re-roll against a failed saving throw; things that don't change the fundamental class elements, but add stuff on top that says 'this is a charismatic leader of his faith'. Just my thoughts. I can see your desire, and do agree with it on a basic level, but I don't think that Charisma for spellcasting is the most effective means of reaching it. You'd probably still not be as charismatic to your faith members as a Rogue with expertise, and it also makes the Cleric feel like just another Bard; instead, new and interesting features would suit the goal better.</blockquote>