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Message: <blockquote data-quote="osmanb" data-source="post: 5304929" data-attributes="member: 2004">I think we can agree to disagree. I haven't been using that much in the way of stunning, but it's still the exact opposite of fun. Hell, I hit the party wizard with a single use of save-ends stun and took him out of the fight for 4 rounds. With the speed of 4e combat, that's an eternity. Seriously, fights already drag at high level (remember when the designers claimed that things would be streamlined by getting rid of lots of small stacking bonuses!?) -- punishing people even more by removing the ability to do anything is just cruel.Luckily, changing stun also fixes one of the big problems with monsters, too ... even one round of stun is just devastating to most encounters, given how few rounds it takes a well optimized party to finish off the monsters. The rogue in my party is optimized for single-target lockdown (rather than damage), so I can automatically assume that one elite or leader will be completely neutralized in every fight. All demons/undead are instantly taken out by the radiant servant (even after the errata, the paragon power is still very good).Monsters need every round of attacks they can get if they want to pose any real threat. PCs need actions to stay engaged. I realize it's a sweeping generalization, but I firmly believe that the game is significantly better without stun.</blockquote>