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<blockquote data-quote="dcollins" data-source="post: 1827685" data-attributes="member: 876">Eh? Perhaps you're talking about the potion/scroll/wand costs? I agree that those are laid out in the construction feats in the PHB, but those are an entirely different issue. Those really are fixed rules, and I agree belong in the Rules Forum. But recall that the DMG Magic chapter makes a categorical distinction between &quot;potions/scrolls/wands&quot; versus &quot;all other items&quot;. Prices for honest-to-goodness &quot;new items&quot; are very subjective, not in the PHB, and explicitly marked &quot;not a final judgement&quot; in the very DMG itself. When Monte says &quot;Do not -- I repeat -- do not allow players to look at that table...&quot;, he's trying to hammer home the fact that you cannot go to your DM and force him to honor those calculations.PC, the thread you just posted about a &quot;free teleport ring&quot; is a prime example. There's no discussion of rules in that thread at all -- the discussion is entirely about your personal campaign, the particular cohort who'd like to have it, your level of desire as DM to give it to the players, and therefore how much they can afford. This is what almost all these threads look like. That's great and interesting, but a discussion that turns primarily on what the individual campaign looks like to generate a number isn't a &quot;Rules&quot; question.Let me put a key question out there, also touched on by Monte. Consider the next time a player comes on the forum and says &quot;Wow, I can buy a use-activated item of unlimited cure light wounds for only 2,000 gp?&quot;. By the rules-as-written, is the answer to that &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot;?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dcollins, post: 1827685, member: 876"] Eh? Perhaps you're talking about the potion/scroll/wand costs? I agree that those are laid out in the construction feats in the PHB, but those are an entirely different issue. Those really are fixed rules, and I agree belong in the Rules Forum. But recall that the DMG Magic chapter makes a categorical distinction between "potions/scrolls/wands" versus "all other items". Prices for honest-to-goodness "new items" are very subjective, not in the PHB, and explicitly marked "not a final judgement" in the very DMG itself. When Monte says "Do not -- I repeat -- do not allow players to look at that table...", he's trying to hammer home the fact that you cannot go to your DM and force him to honor those calculations. PC, the thread you just posted about a "free teleport ring" is a prime example. There's no discussion of rules in that thread at all -- the discussion is entirely about your personal campaign, the particular cohort who'd like to have it, your level of desire as DM to give it to the players, and therefore how much they can afford. This is what almost all these threads look like. That's great and interesting, but a discussion that turns primarily on what the individual campaign looks like to generate a number isn't a "Rules" question. Let me put a key question out there, also touched on by Monte. Consider the next time a player comes on the forum and says "Wow, I can buy a use-activated item of unlimited [i]cure light wounds[/i] for only 2,000 gp?". By the rules-as-written, is the answer to that "yes" or "no"? [/QUOTE]

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