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<blockquote data-quote="dragonlordofpoondari" data-source="post: 3670348" data-attributes="member: 42088"><p>Nope. Those should be looked at carefully, as well! Especially the one from those wacky crackpots, Masters & Johnson.</p><p></p><p>You're totally right, Shemeska. I'm not being sarcastic about this.</p><p></p><p>Here is why I reacted so strongly. The thing is, forging a connection between genetics and homosexuality is both an ethically and politically scary place to take us. We need to tread carefully here. I felt you were a little cavalier in a couple of your implications.</p><p></p><p>The first being that science says the percentages of gays out there are a lot lower. That's how a layman might likely interpret your statement anyway. I wanted to correct for that and maybe delve a bit deeper instead of just accepting your statement at face value. I'm glad I did. These biologists are just interviewing. That's all they can do right now.</p><p>The second implication is here:</p><p></p><p>Whoa. That's some loaded language! Strongly suggestive how? Persuasive to whom? A non-scientist reading this probably feels like Einstein is peer-pressuring him into saying "yes, you're right, just please don't notice how I feel stupid since I hated science in high school." You are strongly implying a connection between homosexuality and genetics. That shouldn't be done lightly.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the other studies you mentioned, I haven't had a chance to read them yet (crazy week at work). But really, conclusions can't be drawn from any of these studies until these fetuses grow into adults and start having some sex. Then they need to be interviewed. For statistically relevant data, lots and lots of subjects and controls are needed. We are talking a good 20 years until we can decide if this "strong" evidence is really "persuasive."</p><p></p><p>That's all. I know I probably seem a bit rabid, but as scientists, we need to be responsible about making claims like this in a public forum.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dragonlordofpoondari, post: 3670348, member: 42088"] Nope. Those should be looked at carefully, as well! Especially the one from those wacky crackpots, Masters & Johnson. You're totally right, Shemeska. I'm not being sarcastic about this. Here is why I reacted so strongly. The thing is, forging a connection between genetics and homosexuality is both an ethically and politically scary place to take us. We need to tread carefully here. I felt you were a little cavalier in a couple of your implications. The first being that science says the percentages of gays out there are a lot lower. That's how a layman might likely interpret your statement anyway. I wanted to correct for that and maybe delve a bit deeper instead of just accepting your statement at face value. I'm glad I did. These biologists are just interviewing. That's all they can do right now. The second implication is here: Whoa. That's some loaded language! Strongly suggestive how? Persuasive to whom? A non-scientist reading this probably feels like Einstein is peer-pressuring him into saying "yes, you're right, just please don't notice how I feel stupid since I hated science in high school." You are strongly implying a connection between homosexuality and genetics. That shouldn't be done lightly. Regarding the other studies you mentioned, I haven't had a chance to read them yet (crazy week at work). But really, conclusions can't be drawn from any of these studies until these fetuses grow into adults and start having some sex. Then they need to be interviewed. For statistically relevant data, lots and lots of subjects and controls are needed. We are talking a good 20 years until we can decide if this "strong" evidence is really "persuasive." That's all. I know I probably seem a bit rabid, but as scientists, we need to be responsible about making claims like this in a public forum. [/QUOTE]
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