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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ifurita'sFan" data-source="post: 3913513" data-attributes="member: 57656">Two things. First this statementIs the single most spurious statements about fantasy I think I've ever readGnomes have no place in a fantasy world? Are you high, or just utterly out of touch with realityYou are aware that Gnomes have held a place in folklore and fairy takes in the west that spans centuries right? If not I'd suggest you look into it. Start with the Brothers Grimm fairy tales. Now, that said. Gnomes under 1st and second edition filled outstanding roles. Mainly they flesh out thief, illusionist, and cleric roles. They were well suited for the game and their abilities as illusionists (until they were seriously nerfed in 3rd edition) were outstanding. That third edition screwed up is simply an indication that 3rd edition is not perfect, and should be ignored and fixed by the GM where appropriate. If the game rules would have been properly done illusionist spells would have not had their effectiveness damaged and the gnomes would have continued to be a respected and well used character race. That WotC screwed up 3rd edition on that score should not be held against the gnomesHave I used them? Yep... more than once. Particularly a couple Gnome thief characters in a Greyhawk campaign starting in and near the Kron hills.  The thing is... if they kill gnomes off completely... what happens to Greyhawk?The Kron Hills (Flann-aerich in the old Flan tongue) are a range of mineral-rich hills spilling from the eastern side of the Lortmil Mountains and onward into the western Gnarley. The Kron Hills form the northern border of Celene, and the southern border of Verbobonc.The northern region of the hills form a gnomish realm known as the Free Assembly of the Kron Hills, ruled by Urthgan the Eldest of Tulvar.</blockquote>

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