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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ifurita'sFan" data-source="post: 3914587" data-attributes="member: 57656">I'll agree with that and let me add an apology to the original poster for being rude. That said, I stand by my argument that the statement that Gnomes have no place in a fantasy world just doesn't track. Gnomes are, and have been a part of our shared and combined western fantasy heritage for centuries. They most certainly have a place in fantasy worlds... right alongside elves, and the rest. There hasn't been a distinctly Gnomish role because they (Hasbro and WotC) chose not to allow them one... not because it couldn't exist. Tieflings and Dragon born would likewise have not had a role if they hadn't been given one... neither one in fact really inspire me to believe they fit with the character classes they are archityped for. And the fact that they're now going to be canon races is mind boggling since neither of these "races" have any role in western mythology (or any other mythology for that matter). The problem here is that using 3rd edition's choice (to eliminate a distinctly Gnomish role by virtue of nerfing what were previously their defining abilities) to justify how 4th edition should be... Well... that means that 3rd edition is wrong by extension...because it didn't use 2nd edition's outlook on gnomes (If you use one editions view to justify views in a later edition, then you must use even earlier editions to justify or condemn later editions as well)Barbarians and Thieves... Thieves I can understand... thats a given. Barbarians though? That's just too cool to pass up commenting on. There's some real role playing gold in that one I can feel it."I am Comer the Barbarian Gnome... *flex flex* After many moons as a chartered accountant I heard the call of my wild heart and embraced my inner rage."As to the rest... I'm not holding my breath on Gnomes finding their way back into the game if they are excluded like this. One of the lead developers is Rich Baker... after Birthright I think scepticism of his work is justified.</blockquote>

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