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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 4322688" data-attributes="member: 891">I would say that this is essentially what they have done.GURPS has as much in common with 'the traditions of DnD' as 4E does.The same claim cannot be made about 3.xE however. 4E is the first time a game claiming to be DnD dropped a large number of the 'sacred cows' and at the same time introduced a vast array of both completely new genre and system concepts. But its the new genre concepts that are the more important of the two.Partial listing:Dropped sacred cow:1/2 OrcGnome (from PHB)DruidMonkmulticlassing (4E doesn't let you take a class, just a limited version of one feature each time you take a feat to get something outside your class).9 Alignmentsscrollswizards having a spellbook only limited by their time in researchlow level ringsseveral classic artifactsdeath of the lowbie (DnD has always had low levels as extremely deadly)Transmogrified cow:Elven subraces (high, wood)Vancian magic/abilities (expanded from casters onto all classes)Skill system no longer individualizable in ranksTactical combat more strongly enforced (near impossible to play without using minis).Saving throws (something still exists by that name, but its use is very different)Dropped semi-divine cow:BarbarianNew genre concepts:MMO-roles enforced in game mechanicsDragonbornWarlordWarlockEverything being a powerRitualsLets look at the 3.x list:Dropped cows:ProficienciesTransmogrified:MulticlassingLevel limits (same for all races)New:Skill systemSorcererFeatsPrestige ClassesBarbarian (been there since 1E, but never before core)Tactical combatPC crafted magic itemsReturn of the sacred Cow:Monk1/2 Orc4E -removed- much of what has been 'DnDisms' for the past 30 years. 3E made a number of changes, but they were almost all additions rather than subtractions.</blockquote>

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