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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 4327770" data-attributes="member: 1106">Yes, well, some of us have a suspension of disbelief that not only defies gravity, but is like a rocket to the moon, and would immediately start drafting notes for empires of talking toasters had WOTC put them in as a core PC race.  (And yeah, I know they're in Toon.)A D&D without wizards is quirky for D&D, so you live with the ban given the fact that you know you're going for a quirky campaign.When the default implied setting is quirky, and you have to ban just to get a "normal D&D experience", you know that the implied setting has gone off the rails.  A "normal D&D experience" has not expanded to include men in dragon suits giving military orders to an "army" of four heroes, IMO, regardless of what WOTC thinks.  That said, it will, eventually, but that's because they've damaged D&D's theme and intellectual property by doing this - it's no longer a very good "sim fantasy" game out of the box.  Arguably it never has been (what's a cleric?), but it's shades of grey, and we've gone several shades more away from it, and crossed a line in the sand perhaps.</blockquote>