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<blockquote data-quote="Mark Hope" data-source="post: 3110588" data-attributes="member: 27051"><p>When it comes to creative works of art (like writing, or music, or painting) nobody is "right". That's my point. I can be as dismissive, critical or negative about Eragon as I like. And someone else can praise it to the heavens. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans either way. That's <em>one</em> of the reasons that discussion boards exist - for people like you and I to spout our baseless, subjective opinions into the ether.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course it doesn't. Is anyone claiming otherwise? That's all this thread is - differing opinions on Eragon and creativity.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Where I have I talked about objective merit at all? Just because I don't like something doesn't mean that I am making comment on someone who does like that thing. That's just crazy talk.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Look, by definition you will have been an unmatured adolescent at 15. If you didn't go through a process of growth over the next 6 years as you became an adult, then I really do feel sorry for you. I'm not trying to belittle or insult you here. Those years are the crux of growth from childhood to manhood - the very definition of coming of age. I think it's a shame that you don't seem to have felt that.</p><p>(We could be talking at cross-purposes here, so take me at my word when I say I'm not wanting to insult you with this - but at face value the idea that those 6 years went by and you were still much like your 15 year old self at the end of it is a bit disheartening from where I am sitting).</p><p></p><p></p><p>The colour of the sky is objective. Artistic merit is subjective. Seems pretty straightforward to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You really are reading an awful lot into this. I have held forth my opinion on two topics, and two topics only. Eragon's lack of originality and the inherent value of creative work. That's all. I'm not dressing up my opinions in touchy-feely language, true, but that's just me. All the other inferences that you make are yours to make and I'm fine with that. But that's all they are.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll take the rough with the smooth. Some folks will take things as they come. Some won't. You can't please all the people all of the time.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, there's the thing. I'm under no obligation to qualify my posts as being anything other than what they seem to be. If you want to take them as malicious, then go ahead. If someone else wants to take them as something else, that's fine as well. This is just one conversation out of many - it'll all come out in the wash, as they say. You could argue that, by the same absence of intonation or facial expressions, it is equally erroneous of you to ascribe malice where there is nothing more than frank disagreement. But that's another topic, and not one that moves me to great emotion either way.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I don't agree with things that you've said and I'm not dancing around the subject. I guess that kind of frank approach offends you. So be it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, personal comments like those you've just made aren't really my bag. Trying to bait me with ill-conceived aspersions on my personality gets you a chuckle and a shrug, but not much more. You might want to lighten up a bit, though. Or, if you don't like what I am saying, just ignore me. I'm a big lad - I'm sure I'll get over it... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark Hope, post: 3110588, member: 27051"] When it comes to creative works of art (like writing, or music, or painting) nobody is "right". That's my point. I can be as dismissive, critical or negative about Eragon as I like. And someone else can praise it to the heavens. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans either way. That's [I]one[/I] of the reasons that discussion boards exist - for people like you and I to spout our baseless, subjective opinions into the ether. Of course it doesn't. Is anyone claiming otherwise? That's all this thread is - differing opinions on Eragon and creativity. Where I have I talked about objective merit at all? Just because I don't like something doesn't mean that I am making comment on someone who does like that thing. That's just crazy talk. Look, by definition you will have been an unmatured adolescent at 15. If you didn't go through a process of growth over the next 6 years as you became an adult, then I really do feel sorry for you. I'm not trying to belittle or insult you here. Those years are the crux of growth from childhood to manhood - the very definition of coming of age. I think it's a shame that you don't seem to have felt that. (We could be talking at cross-purposes here, so take me at my word when I say I'm not wanting to insult you with this - but at face value the idea that those 6 years went by and you were still much like your 15 year old self at the end of it is a bit disheartening from where I am sitting). The colour of the sky is objective. Artistic merit is subjective. Seems pretty straightforward to me. You really are reading an awful lot into this. I have held forth my opinion on two topics, and two topics only. Eragon's lack of originality and the inherent value of creative work. That's all. I'm not dressing up my opinions in touchy-feely language, true, but that's just me. All the other inferences that you make are yours to make and I'm fine with that. But that's all they are. I'll take the rough with the smooth. Some folks will take things as they come. Some won't. You can't please all the people all of the time. Well, there's the thing. I'm under no obligation to qualify my posts as being anything other than what they seem to be. If you want to take them as malicious, then go ahead. If someone else wants to take them as something else, that's fine as well. This is just one conversation out of many - it'll all come out in the wash, as they say. You could argue that, by the same absence of intonation or facial expressions, it is equally erroneous of you to ascribe malice where there is nothing more than frank disagreement. But that's another topic, and not one that moves me to great emotion either way. Well, I don't agree with things that you've said and I'm not dancing around the subject. I guess that kind of frank approach offends you. So be it. Well, personal comments like those you've just made aren't really my bag. Trying to bait me with ill-conceived aspersions on my personality gets you a chuckle and a shrug, but not much more. You might want to lighten up a bit, though. Or, if you don't like what I am saying, just ignore me. I'm a big lad - I'm sure I'll get over it... ;) [/QUOTE]
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