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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark Hope" data-source="post: 3110655" data-attributes="member: 27051">No, we seem to have a difference of definition for "merit" here (I was gonna bring this up earlier but, well, I couldn't be bothered, lol).  From the outset my opinion has been that merit is judged subjectively.  That's why I disagreed with you saying that all creative works automaticall have merit.  From a subjective standpoint, they can't.I understand what you mean.  My point is that merit is not an objective concept.  To you it is.  Fair enough.  That explains why we disagree on this.No, they aren't.  Synaptic pathways in the brain, for example, don't become fully formed until the early 20s.While mental and emotional maturity is partly subjective, that subjectivity is determined by your peers - a sort of objectivity imposed by the masses.  As for emotionally stunted people in their 40s, I would argue that they're not representative of people in general - and not representative of you in particular.Yeah, I get what you're saying here.  My point remains that I'd expect someone to feel a sense of growth and maturation between 15 and 20.Fair enough.  The arbitrary number, though, is a convenient handle to judge the passage of those experiences.  And, for lack of any other benchmark, that what we have to go on.  But like I say, I'm not taking shots at you here.No need to apologise.  Rough with the smooth <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.Hmm, yeah, we're back to our basic disagreement here I think.  You and I differ here on a fundamental level.  To me, effort is not enough in the larger artisitic arena.  Results are what matter.  And the fact that appreciation of those results is subjective only makes it harder on the artist.  Which was the gist of my earlier point about "no free lunches".That's funny, because this whole thread is an exercise in whimsy for me.  Differing perspectives, eh?Hey, no problem as far as I am concerned.  As I've said, yeah, I'm not really bothered about how I come across.  I'm sure it bothers plenty of people.  And I'm sure plenty of others couldn't care less what I have to say.  And maybe one or two agree.  It's all much of a muchness to me.  My feeling on these things is that life is too short to raise a sweat about this.  What will be will be.Hmmm, off on a bit of a tangent here.So, about that creative merit in Eragon... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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