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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 3112667" data-attributes="member: 10397">When you say "results" what do you mean? Getting something out on the market (published, aired, hung in a gallery etc) and/or sales? Whats the difference or difference of importance between results and the apreciation of those results? But the merit isnt subjective. At least not in terms of how I am using "merit". I think what your talking about is "quality", or as I've said elsewhere in the thread, enjoyability or taste. Wether a work is good or bad, enjoyable or not...its "quality", is subjective. But its "merit" or basic value to do the fact that someone put time effort and thought into it, is there no matter what. The vast majority of 15 year olds are capable of reproduction, which has historically been the main yardstick of physical maturity. And I bet in ten or twenty more years they will discover that those "synatpic pathways" dont actually fully develop until the 30s, then 40s and on and on. Growth and development is a lifelong, and highly individual process.  But any sort of on/off child/adult line that gets drawn is usualy arbitary and cultural, and it certainly doesnt amount to a valid/invalid line as many here seem to think. There are huge numbers of people well into what out culture calls adult hood who clearly are not fit for the title...the make poor decisions that are harmful to themselves and others, and/or show a lack of ability to even take care of themselves sensibly.  Now yes, most "adults" are able to take care of themselves fully, so no the ones who cant arent neccesarily representative of the majority, but there are a whole lot of them.And the reverse is true as well. The teen-agers who fit the absurd sterotypes our culture has about them arent neccesarily representative of the majority either. And then theres the fact that most of those who fit said sterotypes do so because our culture encourages them too. I'm not talking about "raising a sweat". But if your going to discuss something, you may as well do so with your full abilities.And peoples feelings and reactions...and the effect that one has on others, is always something worth taking into consideration.</blockquote>

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