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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 6472291" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>Then the problem is either you or the women. (My wife says "both." If you & they want to play that genre, "it can be a blast!")</p><p></p><p>My wife knows that if she plays a female knight in Pendragon, she gets the blunt end of the discrimination stick... and makes much fun of the challenges. She's played male knights, and female knights. She did try playing a non-sorcerer non-knight... but found that playing sorcerers and "normal women" can be amusing, "but there are long periods where it's boring as ****!" </p><p></p><p>One game I ran, I had an exotic dancer in the group; she's the only gal I know who chose to play a normal woman. It made for a very interesting game; her participation was often by cutscene, and by manipulation of the court. Not a weak character at all; she was quite memorable, and quite active, in a game with 8 players. (4 of them women - in that group, one gal played a male knight, one played a sorceress, one played a female squire, and Jen played that daughter of a household knight... ) The active discrimination against the female characters was pointed out before hand. But I'd have been just as hard on a person playing a guy who cast love magic. All of them wanted to play the genre, not a watered down variation on the genre.</p><p></p><p>Do I run D&D that way? No. Never have. But that's because D&D is a different genre. It's not the gritty Arthuriana of Mallory, Wagner or Boorman; nor is it the casual racism of Barsoom, nor the overt cultural bigotry of Conan (be it Howard or Lieber)... It borrows from these and Tolkien, and spawns a bunch of different subgenres, some of which include open bigotry. </p><p></p><p>Hell, AD&D 1E included a racial bigotry table in the DMG... But it's important to note that most of the game worlds don't use it much. And that's fine... but not Barsoom nor Gary's Greyhawk. (The published Greyhawk quite clearly diverges from Gary's...)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 6472291, member: 6779310"] Then the problem is either you or the women. (My wife says "both." If you & they want to play that genre, "it can be a blast!") My wife knows that if she plays a female knight in Pendragon, she gets the blunt end of the discrimination stick... and makes much fun of the challenges. She's played male knights, and female knights. She did try playing a non-sorcerer non-knight... but found that playing sorcerers and "normal women" can be amusing, "but there are long periods where it's boring as ****!" One game I ran, I had an exotic dancer in the group; she's the only gal I know who chose to play a normal woman. It made for a very interesting game; her participation was often by cutscene, and by manipulation of the court. Not a weak character at all; she was quite memorable, and quite active, in a game with 8 players. (4 of them women - in that group, one gal played a male knight, one played a sorceress, one played a female squire, and Jen played that daughter of a household knight... ) The active discrimination against the female characters was pointed out before hand. But I'd have been just as hard on a person playing a guy who cast love magic. All of them wanted to play the genre, not a watered down variation on the genre. Do I run D&D that way? No. Never have. But that's because D&D is a different genre. It's not the gritty Arthuriana of Mallory, Wagner or Boorman; nor is it the casual racism of Barsoom, nor the overt cultural bigotry of Conan (be it Howard or Lieber)... It borrows from these and Tolkien, and spawns a bunch of different subgenres, some of which include open bigotry. Hell, AD&D 1E included a racial bigotry table in the DMG... But it's important to note that most of the game worlds don't use it much. And that's fine... but not Barsoom nor Gary's Greyhawk. (The published Greyhawk quite clearly diverges from Gary's...) [/QUOTE]
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