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<blockquote data-quote="GreenTengu" data-source="post: 6472628" data-attributes="member: 6777454"><p>You betray yourself by being a dishonest human being.</p><p></p><p>The reduction of a number on the character sheet that automatically results in the character having a smaller chance of success on rolls has ALWAYS and will ALWAYS be a "penalty". And I am willing to bet that in every single other instance YOU refer to it as a penalty.</p><p></p><p>I have every single confidence that in such editions when your character was poisoned and your character's Strength and Constitution were reduced by 1d6 points, you were not leaping for joy and exclaiming "YAY!! A -3 Strength and Constitution BONUS!!"</p><p></p><p>No. You didn't. You can cut the disingenuous crap right there. It is a penalty. It has ALWAYS been a penalty. And you call it so when you aren't being a bald-faced liar.</p><p></p><p>For the -1 Strength PENALTY, Halflings received a +1 Dexterity Bonus. And, yes, this reflected that Halflings were the size of children-- weighting only a third of the weight of an average adult human.</p><p></p><p>The difference in size between men and women is NO WHERE near that extreme. Not even remotely close. Even if you were to argue a 10% or even 20% average difference in strength, that is no where near the difference between a full adult human and a 7-year old child as we are talking about with the Halfling.</p><p></p><p>Moreover, that PENALTY that applied to ALL FEMALE CHARACTERS. REGARDLESS OF RACE, mind you, did not come with any off-setting bonus. None. Zip. ZERO. It was just flat out slap-in-the-face penalty for daring to play as a female in a game designed by men for men for the pleasure of men. Women were nothing more than prostitutes or wives-- as reflected in pretty much every single random NPC table in every single AD&D Sourcebook or Adventure where you were likely to see 3 different types of prostitutes as likely types of female NPCs that could be encountered.</p><p></p><p>That -1 Strength meant that no female Fighter could ever be a decent Fighter by 2nd edition where to be a good Fighter you first had to have an 18 and then roll a 1d100 in order to get to those elite categories. Of course... as a Fighter... you were worthless trash by level 10 anyway (which was at least better than a Rogue who was worthless trash at level 1 and never got better), but without that starting requisite 18, you weren't going to contribute much.</p><p></p><p>Now, I suppose a dishonest person like you could argue that a female player could always play a male character. After all, the PENALTY, as you would call it if you weren't dishonest, only applied to female CHARACTERS and not female PLAYERS. But it still said much about about views of women. The applied penalty is a very clear message that females are inferior living creatures that have absolutely no positive traits or advantages whatsoever. The best they can ever be is a weaker version of exactly what a male is.</p><p></p><p>No honest person can misinterpret that. It was what it was and had nothing to do with reflecting reality.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreenTengu, post: 6472628, member: 6777454"] You betray yourself by being a dishonest human being. The reduction of a number on the character sheet that automatically results in the character having a smaller chance of success on rolls has ALWAYS and will ALWAYS be a "penalty". And I am willing to bet that in every single other instance YOU refer to it as a penalty. I have every single confidence that in such editions when your character was poisoned and your character's Strength and Constitution were reduced by 1d6 points, you were not leaping for joy and exclaiming "YAY!! A -3 Strength and Constitution BONUS!!" No. You didn't. You can cut the disingenuous crap right there. It is a penalty. It has ALWAYS been a penalty. And you call it so when you aren't being a bald-faced liar. For the -1 Strength PENALTY, Halflings received a +1 Dexterity Bonus. And, yes, this reflected that Halflings were the size of children-- weighting only a third of the weight of an average adult human. The difference in size between men and women is NO WHERE near that extreme. Not even remotely close. Even if you were to argue a 10% or even 20% average difference in strength, that is no where near the difference between a full adult human and a 7-year old child as we are talking about with the Halfling. Moreover, that PENALTY that applied to ALL FEMALE CHARACTERS. REGARDLESS OF RACE, mind you, did not come with any off-setting bonus. None. Zip. ZERO. It was just flat out slap-in-the-face penalty for daring to play as a female in a game designed by men for men for the pleasure of men. Women were nothing more than prostitutes or wives-- as reflected in pretty much every single random NPC table in every single AD&D Sourcebook or Adventure where you were likely to see 3 different types of prostitutes as likely types of female NPCs that could be encountered. That -1 Strength meant that no female Fighter could ever be a decent Fighter by 2nd edition where to be a good Fighter you first had to have an 18 and then roll a 1d100 in order to get to those elite categories. Of course... as a Fighter... you were worthless trash by level 10 anyway (which was at least better than a Rogue who was worthless trash at level 1 and never got better), but without that starting requisite 18, you weren't going to contribute much. Now, I suppose a dishonest person like you could argue that a female player could always play a male character. After all, the PENALTY, as you would call it if you weren't dishonest, only applied to female CHARACTERS and not female PLAYERS. But it still said much about about views of women. The applied penalty is a very clear message that females are inferior living creatures that have absolutely no positive traits or advantages whatsoever. The best they can ever be is a weaker version of exactly what a male is. No honest person can misinterpret that. It was what it was and had nothing to do with reflecting reality. [/QUOTE]
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