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<blockquote data-quote="JohnRTroy" data-source="post: 4914351" data-attributes="member: 2732"><p>That situation is not the same thing. To clarify, here it goes. Let me use the following as a preface:</p><p></p><p>Before he died, Steve Gerber has stated to other creators that anybody who says that they are doing a "tribute" or "honoring" him if they tried to write Howard the Duck, Omega the Unknown, etc, were not, and he was clear on that. He knew that it was work-for-hire, etc., and wasn't arguing it legally, but he was making sure any author who tried to say that they were "honoring him" would not use that term. It would be hypocritical. </p><p></p><p>The Castle Zagyg project had similar feelings for Gary. I know as he was working on Yggsburg he was annoyed with both the dissolving of Rob's partnership (he was particularly annoyed with statement from Rob saying "it's not the real castle"), and that WoTC decided to publish a module featuring Castle Greyhawk shortly after the TLG announcement. He wasn't frothing at the mouth angry about the latter, and I know Gary was pretty friendly with Erik Mona, but it did annoy him that WoTC decided to do this after his annoucement. </p><p></p><p>There are specific reasons for this project being different. Having your own adventures at home, creating them, sharing with friends, even running a tournament, is okay. But this project is a little more. It is being "marketed" as a continuation. It's got covers, being presented as PDF downloads, volunteers making maps, etc. The author has even talked about binding and selling the work at conventions, and now wants donations to continue it. Knowing how Gary felt about his IP, I doubt he'd enjoy seeing that). And it seems to be taking advantage of hard feelings from the fan base towards the cancellation of the official project, based on statements from some fans. It's pretty much a publishing product, so much so that if a similar thing was tried with a more "protected" project (like anything WoTC owns), it might be sued.</p><p></p><p>But the key thing is not any objection I have, but when I see people using phrases like "you are honoring Gygax", or "you are doing Gary proud" when praising the project. That's really false, because based on statements above it contradicts what I know personally, in some cases publicly on message board, and even the very author of CoTMA, Joe Bloch, admits this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, I'm not debating the existence of this or my own feelings on the matter. I'm not saying don't download it, play it, read it, or even praise it. I'm simply saying that, for that particular project, don't use the phase "honoring Gygax" or "Gary would be proud of you". Say it's honoring the "old school spirit", or "the true Greyhawk", or "the castle", but don't bring EGG into the equation. It would be a little bit hypocritical.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JohnRTroy, post: 4914351, member: 2732"] That situation is not the same thing. To clarify, here it goes. Let me use the following as a preface: Before he died, Steve Gerber has stated to other creators that anybody who says that they are doing a "tribute" or "honoring" him if they tried to write Howard the Duck, Omega the Unknown, etc, were not, and he was clear on that. He knew that it was work-for-hire, etc., and wasn't arguing it legally, but he was making sure any author who tried to say that they were "honoring him" would not use that term. It would be hypocritical. The Castle Zagyg project had similar feelings for Gary. I know as he was working on Yggsburg he was annoyed with both the dissolving of Rob's partnership (he was particularly annoyed with statement from Rob saying "it's not the real castle"), and that WoTC decided to publish a module featuring Castle Greyhawk shortly after the TLG announcement. He wasn't frothing at the mouth angry about the latter, and I know Gary was pretty friendly with Erik Mona, but it did annoy him that WoTC decided to do this after his annoucement. There are specific reasons for this project being different. Having your own adventures at home, creating them, sharing with friends, even running a tournament, is okay. But this project is a little more. It is being "marketed" as a continuation. It's got covers, being presented as PDF downloads, volunteers making maps, etc. The author has even talked about binding and selling the work at conventions, and now wants donations to continue it. Knowing how Gary felt about his IP, I doubt he'd enjoy seeing that). And it seems to be taking advantage of hard feelings from the fan base towards the cancellation of the official project, based on statements from some fans. It's pretty much a publishing product, so much so that if a similar thing was tried with a more "protected" project (like anything WoTC owns), it might be sued. But the key thing is not any objection I have, but when I see people using phrases like "you are honoring Gygax", or "you are doing Gary proud" when praising the project. That's really false, because based on statements above it contradicts what I know personally, in some cases publicly on message board, and even the very author of CoTMA, Joe Bloch, admits this. So, I'm not debating the existence of this or my own feelings on the matter. I'm not saying don't download it, play it, read it, or even praise it. I'm simply saying that, for that particular project, don't use the phase "honoring Gygax" or "Gary would be proud of you". Say it's honoring the "old school spirit", or "the true Greyhawk", or "the castle", but don't bring EGG into the equation. It would be a little bit hypocritical. [/QUOTE]
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