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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JoeGKushner" data-source="post: 5809815" data-attributes="member: 1129">For what it's worth, I don't think the OGL was the ONLY thing to beat 4e upside the head with an ugly stick.These are things I've mentioned before but...Cancellation of the Dragon/Dungeon magazines as physical entities. Some people are still pissedabout this.Loss of fans/customers when Character Builder went online after being lied to for months about what was happening.In general, poor marketing so you might want to combine the later half of that one above with a general "your game sucks" bit that WoTC relied on.Dragon and Dungeon becoming pale shadows of what they used to be. At one point they said that preview material was going to be in addition to the regular material but take a look at the earlier digital issues and the later ones and well, it doesn't quite appear to be true. This doesn't count the actual quality of the magazines which some say has improved lately but took a nose dive in terms of updating, making it into a compilation at the end of the month and other little things.No method for third party to get into the DDI. Sure, that's not necessarily a make/break but for many people if you're already paying for the service and the whole non-lack of customer rules ability for a while (although I haven't subed for a while myself.)WoTC just being wrong on several things. Anyone remember when buying the physical product was supposed to get you the PDF for a $1 or $2 according to 'the Rouse' How about the 'virtual table top' or the 'virtual visual character' and other bits? Hell, how about the first quarter of cancelled products this year?The PDF thing. Anyone remember that and the 'soon' bits from WoTC? Mind you, this might go under marketing too but as it still hasn't been... resolved yet.In short, WoTC has done, and will probably continue to do things that make themselves look bad and loses customers even as they strive to gain new ones.Just my opinion.</blockquote>

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