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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3813721" data-attributes="member: 4937">I'm with Monte on this.  DM and player parity isn't necessarily good for the game.  Good DM's are good for the game.  Rules that attempt parity don't actually mitigate the problems of a poor or inexperienced DM, which is what they are trying to do.This is the sort of anti-DM sentiment that I find extremely destructive to the game.  If you can't trust the DM, having some rules to bash him over the head with won't fix your game.Social skills can have a role, but a system that replaces roleplay with systematic mechanical rollplay makes for a very uninteresting game.  I want to have conversations in character with the DM in the role of an NPC and with my fellow players.  I want to as the DM bring to life richly detailed and memorable NPC's and I don't want them to do completely illogical and out of character things just because the player rolled a dice and the diplomacy mechanics says that he should.See, the thing about social skills is that the sort of players that clamor for them NEVER believe that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.  The sort of players that clamor for hard and fast social rules would throw a fit if my NPC's used skill roles to override player choice.  They would (rightfully, I think) become outraged if I began to play thier characters for them and told them what thier characters did just because the NPC had a +20 bonus in intimidate, bluff, or diplomacy.  For all the pretensions that player crowd has for DM/player parity, they aren't really interested in true simulation or PC/NPC parity.Sure, but then you are back to DM fiat again.   You've just disguised it. If you think that you are slaves to the DM, it's a problem with the DM or player that the rules can't fix.</blockquote>

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