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<blockquote data-quote="KL" data-source="post: 2895686" data-attributes="member: 8271"><p><strong>Fiendish Codex</strong></p><p></p><p>Okay, I have this tome for up to a week now and here is what my reaction is:</p><p></p><p>A lot of people complain about demon lords being underpowered. Yet the fact that you have the power and option to advance them and customized them make them more fearsome because they will remain an unknown quantity. I mean, in the old days, oh Lolth, she has 66 hp. Now, you can't be sure if the demon prince who is about to b-slap you is an aspect, or the real thing. I meant, think about Iggwilv. She has not been stated yet and the moment we know what class she is and what level she's at, she will lose her mystique.</p><p></p><p>Second is that I am disappointed that there aren't feats or classes to advance demons in special and unique ways.</p><p></p><p>About the demon lords, I was particularly disppointed that Aldinach is the "lady of change" when mythologically, she is an Egyptian storm demon. Soneillon is listed as a demoness concerned with rejuvenation when mythologically, she is said to tempt through hatred. What happened to Ereshkigal and Nergel? (Perhaps Return to the Keep of Borderland cemented their status as deities, not demon lords). Cabiri is well-known as a volcanic demon, and I think Erik Mona is equating him with Gygax's Shabriri (who also happens to have multiple eyes), and both are mythologically different beings (Shab is a demon from Hebrew folklore).</p><p></p><p>Although I have to give kudos to Kardum, King of the Balors, whose name is an anagram of Marduk, Gygax' Kings of the Fire Demons in his (Godawful) Gord books, and Ilsidahur is finally mentioned again.</p><p></p><p>As for the appendixes, I do noticed certain discrepancies....under Lords of the Abyss, Malcanthet was left out and so was her layer in Layers of the Abyss. The listing for demons left out (perhaps intentionally) many Dragon magazine demons, yet the CR list have skurchur, water demon (but not the other 5 elemental demons), and "Blood drinker" (huh?).</p><p></p><p>Overall, it is nice, but at 160 pages, I think 200 should be more like it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KL, post: 2895686, member: 8271"] [b]Fiendish Codex[/b] Okay, I have this tome for up to a week now and here is what my reaction is: A lot of people complain about demon lords being underpowered. Yet the fact that you have the power and option to advance them and customized them make them more fearsome because they will remain an unknown quantity. I mean, in the old days, oh Lolth, she has 66 hp. Now, you can't be sure if the demon prince who is about to b-slap you is an aspect, or the real thing. I meant, think about Iggwilv. She has not been stated yet and the moment we know what class she is and what level she's at, she will lose her mystique. Second is that I am disappointed that there aren't feats or classes to advance demons in special and unique ways. About the demon lords, I was particularly disppointed that Aldinach is the "lady of change" when mythologically, she is an Egyptian storm demon. Soneillon is listed as a demoness concerned with rejuvenation when mythologically, she is said to tempt through hatred. What happened to Ereshkigal and Nergel? (Perhaps Return to the Keep of Borderland cemented their status as deities, not demon lords). Cabiri is well-known as a volcanic demon, and I think Erik Mona is equating him with Gygax's Shabriri (who also happens to have multiple eyes), and both are mythologically different beings (Shab is a demon from Hebrew folklore). Although I have to give kudos to Kardum, King of the Balors, whose name is an anagram of Marduk, Gygax' Kings of the Fire Demons in his (Godawful) Gord books, and Ilsidahur is finally mentioned again. As for the appendixes, I do noticed certain discrepancies....under Lords of the Abyss, Malcanthet was left out and so was her layer in Layers of the Abyss. The listing for demons left out (perhaps intentionally) many Dragon magazine demons, yet the CR list have skurchur, water demon (but not the other 5 elemental demons), and "Blood drinker" (huh?). Overall, it is nice, but at 160 pages, I think 200 should be more like it. [/QUOTE]
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