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<blockquote data-quote="James Jacobs" data-source="post: 2896119" data-attributes="member: 23937">I agree completely; in my campaigns, mind flayers are completely without gods or faith. That said, their deities are here to stay, I suspect; they've got a lot of fans and have been established so that retconing them would do more damage than anything else. Fortunately, the mind flayer chapter wasn't one I wrote for Lords of Madness so I wasn't faced with this conundrum, and instead I was able to scratch that itch on the aboleth chapter.As for demons, there's not much I would abandon, to tell the truth. I've been a fan of the D&amp;D demons and the Abyss more or less from day 1 of my D&amp;D days, and nothing major jumps to mind. While I feel that layers of the Abyss beyond the 666th are unnecessary and I would have rather stressed more that the demon lord stat blocks are for off-plane manifestations of these powerful creatures, most everything in the book is the way I wanted it to be (and I believe Erik would agree). The Abyss is an enormous place, and there's plenty of room for new ideas in there without invalidating or abandoning anything that's come before.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Jacobs, post: 2896119, member: 23937"] I agree completely; in my campaigns, mind flayers are completely without gods or faith. That said, their deities are here to stay, I suspect; they've got a lot of fans and have been established so that retconing them would do more damage than anything else. Fortunately, the mind flayer chapter wasn't one I wrote for [i]Lords of Madness[/i] so I wasn't faced with this conundrum, and instead I was able to scratch that itch on the aboleth chapter. As for demons, there's not much I would abandon, to tell the truth. I've been a fan of the D&D demons and the Abyss more or less from day 1 of my D&D days, and nothing major jumps to mind. While I feel that layers of the Abyss beyond the 666th are unnecessary and I would have rather stressed more that the demon lord stat blocks are for off-plane manifestations of these powerful creatures, most everything in the book is the way I wanted it to be (and I believe Erik would agree). The Abyss is an enormous place, and there's plenty of room for new ideas in there without invalidating or abandoning anything that's come before. [/QUOTE]

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