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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pants" data-source="post: 2852301" data-attributes="member: 8849">The only reason Balor's 'feared' Molydei demons was because, well, back in 2e they were pretty much immune to a Balor's primary mode of attack. Only Cold-Wrought Iron and spells affected them. They actually had LESS HD than Balors back then too.They're not physically more powerful than Balor's, (and in fact, they report directly to Balors) but... sometimes to promote the BW effort, they'd push Balor's around.When I did my revision, I had them pegged at CR 19 too. Check out my <a href="http://www.geocities.com/paranoidus_maximus/Klaruchar.htm" target="_blank">Revised Klurichir</a> if you want a truly epic version. It has a different name, but it's the same fun, vorpal chomping demon.Does it say anywhere in the book that you can just walk up to an Archfiend and roll initiative? Is there a 'wandering Demogorgon' table? I plan on ending a campaign with a nice epic battle against an Archfiend... someday.Because he plays D&D.It's a D&D player's job to be offended when someone plays a game differently. I know I'm personally offended whenever Spelljammer gets mentioned!</blockquote>