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<blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 2852398" data-attributes="member: 7883">You're correct....I just finished running that campaign with my group earlier this year.&nbsp; However, the difference is that at that point, Tenebrous was an undead *Power*, not an archfiend.&nbsp; He was of a level of power greater than he had been as Orcus.&nbsp; Plus, he had the &quot;Last Word&quot;, as you mentioned, which let him destroy anything automatically.I'm concerned about the lower stats for demon lords, as I don't see them as a monster to be beaten at the end of a dungeon.&nbsp; These creatures should be epic...I mean, making them CR 21 makes them no tougher than a puny great wyrm dragon or something, right?&nbsp; But they're demon lords.....the leaders of entire planes where the detritus of evil mortals passing on from the material plane, and congealing into the pure essence of evil......they're even beyond dragons...I'm interested in knowing what else they've got in the book though.&nbsp; Really looking forward to it, aside from the demon lords issue.Banshee</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Banshee16, post: 2852398, member: 7883"] You're correct....I just finished running that campaign with my group earlier this year. However, the difference is that at that point, Tenebrous was an undead *Power*, not an archfiend. He was of a level of power greater than he had been as Orcus. Plus, he had the "Last Word", as you mentioned, which let him destroy anything automatically. I'm concerned about the lower stats for demon lords, as I don't see them as a monster to be beaten at the end of a dungeon. These creatures should be epic...I mean, making them CR 21 makes them no tougher than a puny great wyrm dragon or something, right? But they're demon lords.....the leaders of entire planes where the detritus of evil mortals passing on from the material plane, and congealing into the pure essence of evil......they're even beyond dragons... I'm interested in knowing what else they've got in the book though. Really looking forward to it, aside from the demon lords issue. Banshee [/QUOTE]

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