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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2853534" data-attributes="member: 11697">If that's presented as fact rather than legend and theory, that's a pretty gigantic deviation from any of the prior origin myths of the Tanar'ri. The notion of the Tanar'ri being the byproducts of yugoloth purification at the direction of the Baernaloths (intentional or not) was pretty firmly established. Plus, the idea of deities being there before the Tanar'ri is just bizarre (and contradictory to the Blood War timeline in Hellbound).Though if this new theory is presented as the Tanar'ri take on their own origins, I'm fine with that, it's racial propaganda, and an interesting take on things. Theories biased by self promotion are cool, and are more important when you're embroiled in something like the Blood War. But if it's intended to rewrite the material from Hellbound, Faces of Evil, etc, not so cool. I'll have to read the section myself to really say for sure.Of course if FC:I and FC:II both have their own biased origin legends, tilted to favor their specific planes' inhabitants, that's cool. Tanar'ri histories tend to be nonexistant or nonsensical, and Baatezu histories tend to be political propaganda and historical revisionism taken to its furthest extremes. The 'loths have the oldest histories, and apparently the most comprehensive ones, but they don't like to share and what has leaked out they tend to not comment on, and when they do... hard to trust them at face value given what they are.Does it address the Queen of Chaos as not being from the Abyss? (I generally hold the QoC and Miska as pure, unadulterated cheese, but hopefully the book can redeem them somewhat. I'll have to read it over though to see if I like the angle it takes with them or not).The Obyriths and Loumaras I like. I tentatively like them a lot.Among the abyssal lords, Pale Night is probably the one that snags my attention the most, and FC:I placing her explicitely as one of the Obyriths was a nice touch that links very well with her writeup in FoE. Kudos on that addition to the lore of the Abyss.</blockquote>

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