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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 2854206" data-attributes="member: 4049">Well, I believe that most Dicefreaks will be buying this book even though as a community we're disappointed with the direction WotC has taken.  What's ironic for us is that we never intended on waiting this long to release our treatise on The Abyss, Horrors of The Abyss.  It's been in the works for about four years ever since the three original templates were drafted shortly after the original diabolical templates were drafted.  So, we expect that folks are going to draw inaccurate parallels between our HoTA and WotC's HotA.That said, and as others have pointed out, folks have the ability to create their own version of these creatures and DF has taken pains to create planar archetypes as equivalent to, but different from, gods.  So, take Sammael's link above and you'll see (very) preliminary material on some of the better known demon princes and lords including a sexual predator Graz'zt, an Orcus you'll love to hate, and a Demogorgon that will make Zeus, Odin, and other greater gods have nightmares.  And, if you don't want your planar lords equal to gods, but at least within a reasonable power-level compared to the demons and devils as stated in 3.5 MM, Kain Darkwind -- one of our chief designers -- created his own version of <a href="http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=311" target="_blank">the planar lords</a>.In the end, I'm sure that there will be material in WotC's latest work on the planes that can be salvaged and I don't think it's a total lost.  I do hope (and I admit that I've not read Joe's review yet... Want to be a little surprised and hopeful after some of the disappointing news) that there is at least a new, accurate, and (gods help us) cool picture of Demogorgon, the true Prince of Demons (sorry, Nightfall, but Orcus is not Demogorgon  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />).</blockquote>

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