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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 2855073" data-attributes="member: 957">There seems to be quite a gulf between this reasoning and CR21-23 presented in the book.Did the complaints post BoVD even come up in design discussions?Does the statement regarding higher stats for demon lords on their home planes actually exist in the book?&nbsp; Could you offer a page number?&nbsp; Because if the word that it isn't really there is correct, then this is a bad thing.&nbsp; I don't care about canon myself.&nbsp; But I do really care about where the bar is being set for D&amp;D products.&nbsp; Demon lords do not have infinite advancement.&nbsp; One pit fiend may have double the HD of a standard pit fiend, but Orcus is Orcus.&nbsp; Sure, I can ignore your product and make Orcus be whatever I want (and if I'm doing that why is it I'm buying the book again?&nbsp; And don't tell me about the fluff.&nbsp; I don't pay people to play the game for me)&nbsp; I can also ignore the MM and make goblins be whatever I want.&nbsp; But it is going to run against the grain when I try to use other D&amp;D stuff involving goblins.Saying we should replace what you wrote with our own stuff isn't a real strong sales pitch.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 2855073, member: 957"] There seems to be quite a gulf between this reasoning and CR21-23 presented in the book. Did the complaints post BoVD even come up in design discussions? Does the statement regarding higher stats for demon lords on their home planes actually exist in the book? Could you offer a page number? Because if the word that it isn't really there is correct, then this is a bad thing. I don't care about canon myself. But I do really care about where the bar is being set for D&D products. Demon lords do not have infinite advancement. One pit fiend may have double the HD of a standard pit fiend, but Orcus is Orcus. Sure, I can ignore your product and make Orcus be whatever I want (and if I'm doing that why is it I'm buying the book again? And don't tell me about the fluff. I don't pay people to play the game for me) I can also ignore the MM and make goblins be whatever I want. But it is going to run against the grain when I try to use other D&D stuff involving goblins. Saying we should replace what you wrote with our own stuff isn't a real strong sales pitch. [/QUOTE]

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